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Cams maturity again?

heelinfine

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I know it shouldn't upset me what clueless opposing fans think. But our NFCS rival fans spinning Cams scuffle with Josh as proof he hasn't matured and is a selfish out of control player that could never lead this team.

Many bring up the towel thing. 

Personally the towel issue with Cam never bothered me. I didn't see this as Cam being immature or pouting, I saw a very talented, fiercely emotional young man that hated to lose. Whats worse, Cam showing his displeasure when he and the Panthers are playing poorly or yucking it up and laughing having a grand ole time on the sidelines when your team is losing.

I'll take a passionate QB that wears his emotions on his sleeve, over a spineless don't give a fug gimmie my game check signal caller anyday.

I think Cam is primed to wreck some opponents days this season.

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This is how it always works:

If you are pissed and you win:  It shows intensity

If you are pissed and you lose: It shows immaturity.

If you joke and you win:  It's called personality

If you joke and you lose: It show's immaturity.

If you celebrations/touchdown dances etc and you win:  It shows confidence

If you celebrate and you lose: It shows immaturity.

 

Basically if we win games this year the whole narrative changes.  If not it will be the same or worse.

 

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I was very critical of Cam's maturity during his first 2 maybe 3 years.  I don't apologize for it.  If you don't understand it, you probably haven't led anything beyond Mrs. Jones' second grade class to the lunchroom.  Maturity in sports--maturity in leadership--are a bit different than maturity as a person.  Frankly, I think Cam needed to grow up in all three areas, and I think he did.

This was not a maturity problem, it was a leadership glitch.  Athletes need to be mature--that is why they don't argue bad calls; they know the results are usually bad.  Discipline.  A QB has to be that way x 10.  When things go bad, you were all discussing if a towel was immature or not.  You missed the point. OK to don a towel when all is well but when things are going poorly, a leader rallies the troops.  A leader talks to his coach.  Just the towel and the player are not immature, unless you put him in context as a leader-athlete, and unless you understand what a leader on the sideline looks like, you missed it.

Cam and his family and his coaches etc.  have all discussed his maturation.  He has arrived, if you ask me, but I would never had said so two or three years ago.  What you saw from Cam was a bit of a temporary regression, a flashback, but not immaturity.  Heat, smack, and pride collided and he did something stupid.  We all do that. 

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I was very critical of Cam's maturity during his first 2 maybe 3 years.  I don't apologize for it.  If you don't understand it, you probably haven't led anything beyond Mrs. Jones' second grade class to the lunchroom. 

Or some of us spent years in leadership positions ourselves and we just disagreed with your personal view of what leadership is and how it applied to Cameron Jerrell Newton.

The fact that you think there's only one cookie-cutter way to be a leader makes me suspect that you weren't taught the ins and outs of leadership very well. ;)

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I was very critical of Cam's maturity during his first 2 maybe 3 years.  I don't apologize for it.  If you don't understand it, you probably haven't led anything beyond Mrs. Jones' second grade class to the lunchroom.  Maturity in sports--maturity in leadership--are a bit different than maturity as a person.  Frankly, I think Cam needed to grow up in all three areas, and I think he did.

Your post is only valid if your concept of leadership is universal.  I have played sports and have been in leadership, positions in the military, corporate and business ownership level.   There is no one type of leadership.  The only thing that matters is results. 

I have seen Tom Brady walk a referee off the field arguing,  I have seen Peyton Manning cursing out lineman,  seen HOF QB's grab facemask of receivers, or get in coaches grill. Cam imitates Michael Jordan with the towel and everyone called him the real leader of the bull championship teams.  You know why there is never a leadership question with them?  Because they have wins.   Cam's interview questions and sideline demeanor hasn't changed very much, but when we went 12-4 everyone changed the narrative to he has matured.

Everyone's "concept" of leadership is different.  A nice guy coach like Vermiel won a superbowl and a hard ass like Coughlin has as well. Fun loving, always joking Brett Farve has won just as much as clinical always professional Peyton Manning.  Bland Eli Manning is 2-0 vs Belichek/Brady. 

Should Cam be going at Norman? Nope.  But as the coaches have said and Cam as well, it will make them better in the end.  Maybe it's just what they both needed to have standout years.  But saying it shows immaturity is just relying on the same lazy media driven narrative. 

 

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Your post is only valid if your concept of leadership is universal.  I have played sports and have been in leadership, positions in the military, corporate and business ownership level.   There is no one type of leadership.  The only thing that matters is results. 

I have seen Tom Brady walk a referee off the field arguing,  I have seen Peyton Manning cursing out lineman,  seen HOF QB's grab facemask of receivers, or get in coaches grill. Cam imitates Michael Jordan with the towel and everyone called him the real leader of the bull championship teams.  You know why there is never a leadership question with them?  Because they have wins.   Cam's interview questions and sideline demeanor hasn't changed very much, but when we went 12-4 everyone changed the narrative to he has matured.

Everyone's "concept" of leadership is different.  A nice guy coach like Vermiel won a superbowl and a hard ass like Coughlin has as well. Fun loving, always joking Brett Farve has won just as much as clinical always professional Peyton Manning.  Bland Eli Manning is 2-0 vs Belichek/Brady. 

Should Cam be going at Norman? Nope.  But as the coaches have said and Cam as well, it will make them better in the end.  Maybe it's just what they both needed to have standout years.  But saying it shows immaturity is just relying on the same lazy media driven narrative. 

 

Very well said, I'd give you a whole pie If I could.

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