Wilson: 60 million guaranteed over 4 years...

[blackcat]

60 mill compared to 30 mill guaranteed and only half of Cam's 30 is guaranteed if he gets injured.  Also Wilson gets a little less money a year than Aaron Rogers. Wilson got paid and unless others like Wagner take pay cuts they will be gone. 

Ah, for some reason I thought Cam got 60 mil guaranteed. thanks.

[PandaPancake]

I'm currently filing suit against Peter King, Wilson, the Seahawks, and Chip Kelly. I have received a hernia from laughing so hard.

[JawnyBlaze]

Stupid question, how is his deal any worse for SEA than Cam's is for us? 

Because Cam is the leading role in our offense which is complimented by our defense and got less than Wilson who is a supporting character in their offense, which is carried by their defense.

[AU-panther]

Stupid question, how is his deal any worse for SEA than Cam's is for us? 

From a financial standpoint it really isn't.  Whether or not he is as good as Cam I'll leave that for other's to argue about.

Cam received a 5 year extension worth 5yr/103.8m which works out to 20.76m a year.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cam-newton/

From the reports people are linking Wilson is receiving 4yr/87.6m which works out to 21.9m a year.  I have yet to see the structure of the deal so I am guessing on some of this.

Cam's new money was added to what he was already set to make in 2015 which was around 14.67m.  Since some of the new money is paid out in 2015 it is almost easier to look at it as a new 6yr deal.  In that case Cam is set to earn 118.46m over the next 6 years for an average of 19.74m.

If Wilson's new deal follows the same format you have to include what he was set to make in 2015 which was $1.54m. 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/russell-wilson/

In this scenario they will end up paying him 89.1m over the next 5 years for an average of 17.82m a year.

Cam for the next 6 years at an average of 19.74m

Wilson for the next 5 years at an average of 17.8m.

Here again I am guessing on the structure of Wilson's deal off of the limited info that is out there right now so my numbers could be off.  If they are correct though it seems like a decent deal for the Seahawks

 

 

 

 

[Davidson Deac II]

Ah, for some reason I thought Cam got 60 mil guaranteed. thanks.

Probably because most reports are saying he got 60 million guaranteed.  But then they reported Cam's deal as a 5 year contract whereas Wilson is being reported as four year. 

[ctrcat]

Wilson sucks, Cam is GOAT. Pretty simple when you just think it over.

Lucky or not, I can't say sucks.  Giving him credit where credit is due, he is an Isaiah Thomas like player in the game of football while we have the Michael Jordan of football.  

[lightsout]

Cam gets 60 mil in guarantees, but only 31 is truly guaranteed. The other 29 mil is set aside in case of injury.

The fact is, Wilson's contract is a year shorter, with more guaranteed over in relation to his total amount. 3/4 of his money is guaranteed (unless I am misreading the details).

Wilson got his and that's all he wanted. Over the next 2 or 3 years, you will see a lot of guys due up in Seattle that simply won't be able to stay due to money. Again, unless I am mistaken.

[ctrcat]

Cam gets 60 mil in guarantees, but only 31 is truly guaranteed. The other 29 mil is set aside in case of injury.

The fact is, Wilson's contract is a year shorter, with more guaranteed over in relation to his total amount. 3/4 of his money is guaranteed (unless I am misreading the details).

Wilson got his and that's all he wanted. Over the next 2 or 3 years, you will see a lot of guys due up in Seattle that simply won't be able to stay due to money. Again, unless I am mistaken.

You are not mistaken.  Half of their roster is a FA next year.  They may keep their megastars but their key role players will be gone.

[AU-panther]

Cam gets 60 mil in guarantees, but only 31 is truly guaranteed. The other 29 mil is set aside in case of injury.

The fact is, Wilson's contract is a year shorter, with more guaranteed over in relation to his total amount. 3/4 of his money is guaranteed (unless I am misreading the details).

Wilson got his and that's all he wanted. Over the next 2 or 3 years, you will see a lot of guys due up in Seattle that simply won't be able to stay due to money. Again, unless I am mistaken.

If that is true for Seattle then that will be true for us also.  Cam's yearly cap hit will be just as much if not more than Wilsons.  Both teams are out of the window where they have a cheap quarterback.

[lightsout]

If that is true for Seattle then that will be true for us also.  Cam's yearly cap hit will be just as much if not more than Wilsons.  Both teams are out of the window where they have a cheap quarterback.

 

Depends on how it is structured. Cam's contract is structured to avoid the big cap hit down the line that so many big contracts have. He's going to make roughly the same every year. If Wilson's is backloaded (most likely, as that is the norm and Cam's contract isn't exactly standard), then they'll see a spike in his cap hit in a couple of years, then again at the end of the contract. That is what the difference is between Cam and Wilson's contracts, from my understanding of how they break down.

Plus, consider when resigning WIlson in 5 years. He'll want more, assuming he stays healthy and in the same game manager role he has played thus far. And he'll want a similar structure, because this contract has set the precedent. At that point, it's either pay him what he wants and lose the other large pieces on the team, or not pay him and keep the rest of the team intact.

[AU-panther]

 

Depends on how it is structured. Cam's contract is structured to avoid the big cap hit down the line that so many big contracts have. He's going to make roughly the same every year. If Wilson's is backloaded (most likely, as that is the norm and Cam's contract isn't exactly standard), then they'll see a spike in his cap hit in a couple of years, then again at the end of the contract. That is what the difference is between Cam and Wilson's contracts, from my understanding of how they break down.

Plus, consider when resigning WIlson in 5 years. He'll want more, assuming he stays healthy and in the same game manager role he has played thus far. And he'll want a similar structure, because this contract has set the precedent. At that point, it's either pay him what he wants and lose the other large pieces on the team, or not pay him and keep the rest of the team intact.

Like you said we don't really know what the final structure is.  The numbers I listed above are based on what little info I have found so far.

My best guess on what I've seen so far:

5 years for $89.1m which works out to an average of $17.8m.

Cam's contract

6 years for $118.46m which works out to an average of $19.74m.

Could they back load Wilson's contract? Of course, but that still doesn't change the yearly average over the life of the contract.  

Personally I am fine with paying Cam more, but this idea that Wilson's contract is going to be a bigger financial burden on the Seahawks than Cam's contract is on us just isn't factual based on the info we have as of now.

 

[lightsout]

Like you said we don't really know what the final structure is.  The numbers I listed above are based on what little info I have found so far.

My best guess on what I've seen so far:

5 years for $89.1m which works out to an average of $17.8m.

Cam's contract

6 years for $118.46m which works out to an average of $19.74m.

Could they back load Wilson's contract? Of course, but that still doesn't change the yearly average over the life of the contract.  

Personally I am fine with paying Cam more, but this idea that Wilson's contract is going to be a bigger financial burden on the Seahawks than Cam's contract is on us just isn't factual based on the info we have as of now.

 

I think what most people mean by it being more burdensome for the Seahawks is they have more guys that would demand big time pay than we do. They, seemingly, won't be able to maintain their star power as well as their role players as well as we can. Of course, I have NO clue on their cap situation and what they're working with currently either (and I'm at work, so I'm not going to look it up).