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Hornets Can't Escape Mediocrity

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pantherfan49 Newbie

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If Winslow didn't play for Duke, just how many times would his name be mentioned here?

he's no PJ. 

 

Seriously, I don't think his college had anything to do with it. I think it is the collective and consensus of ridicule the hornets have taken for not selecting Winslow. 

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Here's my question to you: would you have selected Winslow or taken the trade?

Imo, and I've stated this elsewhere, considering our front offices history of making the wrong pick...  my approach was to gather more assets.  I admit, I really liked Winslow coming out of school, but I didn't think he was good enough to take at 9 because we already have an outstanding motor/defensive guy with a lack of range offensively.  So, I figured we should trade for more picks, because that either gave us a chance to hit on a potential superstar multiple times or package the picks for a great vet.  I really did not want Frank...  but, after seeing him in the summer league, I'm excited to see what he does this season.  I don't recall seeing any of our rookies look that ready and composed in all of our history in summer league.  

 

So in summary, despite liking his game, I think Winston was redundant with MKG already in the roster and we needed someone who would contribute immediately.  So, I wouldn't have taken him.  I do question not taking the package, as I thought a guy like Hunter really filled a need and has a lot of potential...  But in hindsight, I'm really feeling like Frank was the right pick.

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Ok, just wondering. Just wanted to pose the question.

I don't get the people that are criticizing passing on the trade and selecting Frank if your preference was drafting Winslow. I don't think you can have it both ways. You can't criticize the Hornets for passing on the trade if you'd do the same thing. We selected Frank because we valued him over Winslow or at least valued his skill set and what he would add to the team over Winslow. I believe we wanted a player that could come in right away and contribute. He clearly doesn't have the upside of Winslow but I don't think that's what we were looking for (based on our offseason moves). After watching SL, you have to be somewhat  encouraged at what he could bring to the team. 

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If Winslow didn't play for Duke, just how many times would his name be mentioned here?

College has nothing to do with it and I'm sick of UNC and Duke homers ruining threads about Duke and UNC players like there's some inherent bias.

This is akin to DG either trading away for a ton of stuff instead of taking Star or passing on Star entirely for a different player.

To be fair, Winslow was never a threat to go number one and didn't fall as far as Star did, but he was clearly the best player available at that point. Frank, though he may end up being a solid pro, fits the "Charlotte draft bust" prototype all too well, and thus everyone pounced.

Everyone wants to talk "Woe is us" about luck and circumstances, but the fact is, with trades like Vonleh and picks like Zeller and Kaminsky, Charlotte brings the bad luck on themselves.

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I don't get why anyone would even consider doing that trade.  Most, if not all, of those picks will be mid to late firsts.  And the NBA is not like the NFL where every 1st round pick is expected to be a key contributor.  To give it context, the top ten in the NBA would be equivalent to a 1st round pick in the NFL, 11-20 would be 2nd and 3rd rounders, and the rest of the first would be comparable to mid-late round picks.  2nd rounders in the NBA are UDFA's.  So really, trading #9 for all those 1st's would be the equivalent of trading a 1st for a mid 2nd, a 3rd, a 5th, and a 6th...simply not worth it. 

The decision to take Frank over Winslow is a separate issue.  One that can be debated, but it still comes down to team evaluation and fit.  Like it or not, the team felt Frank was a better fit for this team than Winslow, and they also clearly felt he was worthy of being picked at #9.  Just because the talking heads felt Winslow was a top five talent doesn't mean every team did...particularly a team that already has a player with similar strengths and weaknesses.  The only way Winslow would have been a fit here was if the team was willing to trade MKG, which they clearly weren't.  So, the debate isn't whether or not we should have taken the deal, but whether or not Frank was the right choice.  

   

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SOJA Mentor

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If Winslow didn't play for Duke, just how many times would his name be mentioned here?

 

meh normally I would agree, but as a UNC alum I was pissed when we passed on him. He's a better version of MKG and positions are useless nowadays anyways 

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I don't get why anyone would even consider doing that trade.  Most, if not all, of those picks will be mid to late firsts.  And the NBA is not like the NFL where every 1st round pick is expected to be a key contributor.  To give it context, the top ten in the NBA would be equivalent to a 1st round pick in the NFL, 11-20 would be 2nd and 3rd rounders, and the rest of the first would be comparable to mid-late round picks.  2nd rounders in the NBA are UDFA's.  So really, trading #9 for all those 1st's would be the equivalent of trading a 1st for a mid 2nd, a 3rd, a 5th, and a 6th...simply not worth it. 

The decision to take Frank over Winslow is a separate issue.  One that can be debated, but it still comes down to team evaluation and fit.  Like it or not, the team felt Frank was a better fit for this team than Winslow, and they also clearly felt he was worthy of being picked at #9.  Just because the talking heads felt Winslow was a top five talent doesn't mean every team did...particularly a team that already has a player with similar strengths and weaknesses.  The only way Winslow would have been a fit here was if the team was willing to trade MKG, which they clearly weren't.  So, the debate isn't whether or not we should have taken the deal, but whether or not Frank was the right choice.  

   

I'd go even farther and say for most drafts there are maybe 5-7 picks that are true first rounders

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What I like about Frank is that he's arguably/probably the most NBA ready draft selection we've made in maybe ever.  Okafor and Felton are probably the exceptions.  You know he'll be scoring points in the league and contribute right away.  That's really hard to come by past the top 3-5 picks nowadays with so many young athletic types with huge upside clogging up these drafts.  Frank seems like a steady roller type.  

 

The draft that pissed me off was 13'.  We took Zeller over so much talent.  I still remember how much many wanted Noel or McElmore.  Not to mention, McCollum is primed for a big year this coming season for Portland. You had the Greek freak in there and even Shabazz.  We take Cody freaking Zeller.  

 

This wasn't that great of a draft anyways.  I basically think Stanley J, Mario, Turner and Towns will be the ones making noise.  Frank may not be far behind though.           

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What I like about Frank is that he's arguably/probably the most NBA ready draft selection we've made in maybe ever.  Okafor and Felton are probably the exceptions.  You know he'll be scoring points in the league and contribute right away.  That's really hard to come by past the top 3-5 picks nowadays with so many young athletic types with huge upside clogging up these drafts.  Frank seems like a steady roller type.  

 

The draft that pissed me off was 13'.  We took Zeller over so much talent.  I still remember how much many wanted Noel or McElmore.  Not to mention, McCollum is primed for a big year this coming season for Portland. You had the Greek freak in there and even Shabazz.  We take Cody freaking Zeller.  

 

This wasn't that great of a draft anyways.  I basically think Stanley J, Mario, Turner and Towns will be the ones making noise.  Frank may not be far behind though.           

you just compared Frank to Felton and oke and it's an entirely fair comparison and we see how that turned out for Charlotte. 

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