Biz is a free agent

[teeray]

Put him in the right role and he could excel.  He's a ~15-18 minute rim protector.  This is the type of sh*t I don't wanna see in this forum.  Sorry Teeray, I never take jabs as long as I've been here but that's a f*cking stupid one-dimensional post.  Admittedly, similar to Biz's game, but if we don't know how to capitalize off his strengths with the right pieces, then we don't deserve him. Now I'm not saying he's good on offense or anything but that doesn't take away his ability to mesh with the exact 4-5 types we're bringing in.  Makes no f'n sense in my honest opinion.  I want basketball talk in this forum.  Tired of seeing this one-liner bs.   

I am so tempted to give a one line response lol.  

Look the guy is just not that good.  His offense was putrid, and his defense is overrated, and his rim protection doesn't make up for his offense.

You can't run any pick and roll with him because you just trap the ball because he can't even catch the ball and when he does he cannot finish around the rim unless he has a wide open dunk.

I like Biz.  He seemed like a good dude, but he just wasn't very good.  He is young though and seemed to improve year to year so hopefully he carves out a career as a role player.  I hate moving on from projects before they fully develop, which happens all the time which is why I don't like drafting projects, but I am not surprised.

ETA:  no need to ever apologize to me.  Say your piece brother

[teeray]

Biz isn't elite defensively, and his strength on defense does not compensate for his inadequacies on offense.

Whatever rim protection he provided he wasn't great moving his feet or being out of position as he would at times hunt blocks on defense.

His Real Defensive Plus/Minus was not much higher than Big Al's, and Al struggled last year with injuries (on top of not being a great defender to begin with)

He won't average 10-15-4 next year because no one is going to play him enough minutes to.  Someone on twitter said yesterday that initial interest around the league for Biz is tepid.

[teeray]

Between this and the Vonleh trade reaction you would have thought we were on the cusp of a championship with those two and not coming off a 33-49 season in which neither could even get off the bench.

If this works, great. If it doesn't, folks will probably lose jobs and we'll be back in tear down mode, hopefully with management that chooses Leonard, Butler and Thompson over Biyombo next time.

The bigger issue here is once again we see a disconnect in a front office that bottomed out to avoid the exact situation they just put themselves in again. There is no long-term plan. Only reactionary movements to short term trends. Lance is bad? Get rid of him. Golden State won with offense? Let's get a bunch of offense. Finished below expectations last year? Let's go all in. Al Jefferson won all-NBA one time? Don't trade him!

I'm jealous of Philadelphia. It may not work, but at least they have a plan and the patience to see that plan through. Can't say the same here.

I think some of these moves are because Cho and Clifford have probably been told they are on the hotseat so they are making moves to try and make us better right now

[cbarrier90]

I think some of these moves are because Cho and Clifford have probably been told they are on the hotseat so they are making moves to try and make us better right now

Ya think?

That's great that they're trying to make us better right now. The problem is it's now being done at the expense of the team's future which was what made it such a trendy pick as a franchise on the rise last season.

It's one thing if they wanted to use money to supplement a great draft haul, but they doubled down on convincing themselves they could win now with underwhelming young talent at best, and now they're scrapping that plan altogether and becoming the exact team they swore they wouldn't be when they tanked that 2011-12 season.

We could be looking at a team that misses the playoffs but has Winslow, Vonleh and a cheap season of Biz in tow. We gave that up for one year of Nic Batum and Frank Kaminsky. Sixth seed for days. Wonderful. Sure glad we spent all that time tearing it down!

[Mvp2014]

whaaaa?  Kobe is a HOF defender on and off the ball.  See his 12 selections to All-NBA defensive team. You obviously don't watch basketball.

 

Biz sucked because he turned the game into 5v4 being so inept on offense.  Not only that but he was out of control on defense IMO.  Not the elite defender people say he is

[Ship]

honestly i don't think the tear down model really works in the NBA, i'm ok with us moving on from it. it plays to our strengths anyway. you can project the NBA careers of 18 year old players who are one year removed from high school and even if you find one that is a sure fire all star for the next decade you still have to pray to god that your lottery number is called at the right time. the case in point for how shitty and not worthwhile a tear-down project is is this team. the fact that a team like ours can go in to a draft and not get the number 1 pick and get anthony davis is unreal. there are too many moving parts a team has no control over that there is no way to bet the entire team and organization on some ping pong balls and statistical projections.

i prefer the FA/trading path for us. you have a general idea of who you're gonna get and you can build a well rounded team. sure, you gotta draft some talent, but you don't strip the team down to the studs in order to draft it.

i don't believe what philly is doing is gonna net them a championship. players won't pan out, the talent won't mesh, the coach will suck. any number of simple problems will continue to sap the original plan, and then everyone-- fans, players, and front office will have wasted their time.

the NFL is a rebuild league, the NBA is just a money/asset/star league. and since we don't have a star, we just gotta roll with money and assets. with smart, quick deals, favorable trades, and a well rounded complimentary team.

[Zaximus]

We better score 115 points a game next year, because when MKG gets hurt (not and if, but when) and no Biz, we're going to be dominated by teams.  Al will be still running to the other end of the court and our soft bigs will be doing nothing.

[Wundrbread33]

I recall Biz posterizing multiple people from catching lobs off pick and rolls. 

For those defending Al, how do you explain the improvement of this team, particularly the flow of the offense, when such an "offensive liability" like Biz was in the game?

People need to see the big picture, including our front office. Detroit fielded a damn good team with Ben Wallace out there.

Biz is not balanced, much like Big Ben, but he is elite in something; something that I believe was worth at least the 4 mil QO. 

[Zaximus]

You draft Frank who would fit in nicely with Biz, someone finally to help Biz, and then... let Biz go.  So all we have now is the same players with no defense.  It's confusing.  Hope it pans out but I'd be surprised.

[Omega Atrocity]

So I'll say something to both sides. I like Biz, but he isn't elite defensively. He is elite at blocking shots, there is a difference. I remember a Detroit game where he gave up 4 or 5 lobs to Drummond. Now of course Drummond is good, but that's not something an elite defender would do. And to those saying it's smart, please elaborate. We're over the cap, this frees up no space and doesn't make any sense at all to me. Long term I don't think it effects us much, but it's still a puzzling move

[Tub of Goo]

I don't get this, it would only be about 6 more years before he could make a layup!

[cbarrier90]

I recall Biz posterizing multiple people from catching lobs off pick and rolls. 

For those defending Al, how do you explain the improvement of this team, particularly the flow of the offense, when such an "offensive liability" like Biz was in the game?

No one is defending Al, but this is where you and the rest of the biz crowd are making the wrong argument. The improvements we had when Al wasn't in doesn't mean Biz is somehow good, it just means Al and his ball stopping was that bad. No one was making this argument when Al was making an All-NBA team, were they?

IMO both should have been shipped out to completely overhaul the center spot with a guy like WCS (or in this case, see what Frank's got) but the team wants to stave off the inevitable rebuild another year.

[Omega Atrocity]

No one is defending Al, but this is where you and the rest of the biz crowd are making the wrong argument. The improvements we had when Al wasn't in doesn't mean Biz is somehow good, it just means Al and his ball stopping was that bad. No one was making this argument when Al was making an All-NBA team, we're they?

IMO both should have been shipped out to completely overhaul the center spot with a guy like WCS (or in this case, see what Frank's got) but the team wants to stave off the inevitable rebuild another year.

This basically. I think Biz will be a good backup center for a while, but that's all. I'm very worried about our center position.

[davos]

I am so tempted to give a one line response lol.  

Look the guy is just not that good.  His offense was putrid, and his defense is overrated, and his rim protection doesn't make up for his offense.

You can't run any pick and roll with him because you just trap the ball because he can't even catch the ball and when he does he cannot finish around the rim unless he has a wide open dunk.

I like Biz.  He seemed like a good dude, but he just wasn't very good.  He is young though and seemed to improve year to year so hopefully he carves out a career as a role player.  I hate moving on from projects before they fully develop, which happens all the time which is why I don't like drafting projects, but I am not surprised.

ETA:  no need to ever apologize to me.  Say your piece brother

I was a few margs deep when I posted that haha.  I understand Biz is extremely poor on the offensive side but it looked like he was learning when to take the right shots last year.  His awareness and ball control is still quite damn bad.  I've been expecting this move though, just really worried about our defense because it's not like we got any truly lethal offensive threats.  I feel rather than getting a truly offensive powered team this offseason, we got solid offensive players with poor defense.  

 

If Clifford actually plays Frank, him and Al could be a decent pairing.  But Fitting Zeller and Hawes into the equation is just hard to see for me.  What would be nice is if they actually play Frank since they were willing to pass up on a lot of different opportunities to make the pick.  His defense isn't awful by any means and put him, MKG, and Batum on the floor then Kemba/Al can go do whatever they do haha.