Seahawks offer Wilson a deal in the range of Cam Newton's

[MountainHeel66]

How people think Wilson somehow lucked himself into two superbowls is beyond me.

What you don't seem to get, in this case, is the simple concept of defense wins and offense gets the glory. SEATTLE didn't luck their way into a title, Pete Carrol built a phenomenal defense that shuts down its opponents and gives any half decent offense more than enough time and opportunity to build a lead. Keep in mind that this is the same head coach that made guys like Matt Leinart look like pro ready Heisman trophy winning qb's.

Russell Wilson lucked into a perfect scenario for himself by going to Seattle and is arguably the PERFECT qb for them, at the price he truly deserves. @ 20+ million you are starting to leave the realm of reality for RW. If Marshawn Lynch goes down or battles the front office again this season and misses any significant time, just watch how fast that offense slows down and stagnates while people zero in on containing RW. Seattle would be best served to tag him for a season or two and let him get an ego check. Things look a lot different when you aren't coming off of back to back super bowl trips and the team will have more leverage. 

[Frank Hollywood]

Okay, "Sir." We'll see what happens. Cam's contract will look like a steal, yes. But that will be because he's better than them and  will have an MVP season next year and we'll win the Super Bowl with him making slightly less than them. Not because either of them will make anywhere near $30M/year. Maybe, just maybe, Luck's will approach $25M/year. 

What you fail to realize is its not about what they're worth, it's about what they can get. I believe Seattle will pay an extra 2-5 mil per year to keep the continuity and certainty.

[FootballMaestro]

@ProFootballTalk Hearing from folks since posting latest Russell Wilson blurb. Current prediction: He's playing for someone else in 2016.

 

Well that escalated

Problem is: Unless, Wilson a dummy like RG3 (Griffin wanted a more conventional offense, when he couldn't read defenses), the Hawks are the team best suited for him. Not sure other NFL teams would offer his as big a contract, nor do I see him having similar success if he left.

He's lucky, and should be happy he's been offered Cam Newton money if this is true. Wilson's with the best team her could possibly be with.

[FootballMaestro]

How people think Wilson somehow lucked himself into two superbowls is beyond me. The reason why 90% of top QB lists have Wilson in the top 10 (and above cam in most cases) is because he has some of the best pocket presence in the league and plays the read option as well as anyone in the league. The fact that this might look like 'luck' to people on this board is baffling. 

To those that say 'he's a product of that system' bla bla. Well if that product, in that system, has got you to two Super Bowls, then it suggests you have something that 30 other teams in the league don't have. Stop trying to undermine him because you haven't watched him play enough and think he's lucky. It makes the rest of us Panther fans look bitter and uneducated.

 

The problem is, most of us have watched him play, as we did RG3 and Kaepernick (who we all said weren't real pocket QB's, who could carry teams on their own, mind you read defenses), thus the same is said about Wilson.

It's no difference, really.

[coralreefer_1]

I find it hilarious that so many here are determining what RW is worth to THEIR organization, while just a week or so ago were defending against attacks from the rest of the country that Cam got a contract he didn't deserve, and justifying that by saying " that is what he is worth to OUR team and OUR franchise"

No QB in the world took their team alone to a Superbowl. That is true, but the hate for RW here sounds (as i have said before) like an uber inferiority complex between our fans and Seattle. Please guys, name me one QB that didnt have a nice stout front, or a badass WR rotation, or an awesome defense, or a top shelf running game!

There are good points and bad points to being the leader of the team. The good point is you get all the credit when things are good, the bad is you get all the blame when you are bad. Things have been good in Seattle the last few years, and yeah he deserves to get paid. You can blame our own lack of superbowl or national title appearances on our own lack of defense, or our own lack of O-Line, receivers or whatever,but like many say..the only thing that matters are wins. RW is on a team that wins, and while he doesnt deserve 25million a year, he for darn sure doesnt deserve to be paid less just because he is on a team that has other tools in place.

[FootballMaestro]

Wilson is better than a lot give him credit for on here, but he's also no where near as good as the general population and media make him out to be.  There's a fine middle ground somewhere between those two extremes, and that's bout where you'll find the real Russell Wilson.  I'll also tip my hat off to Seattle, because they've literally designed the perfect offense to play to his strengths and made him look a lot better than he would otherwise.

And to the dude talking about how amazing Wilson's pocket skills are and in the same breath criticizing others for lacking knowledge on Wilson... lmao.  Wilson, for a starting NFL QB (especially one that's highly regarded), has awful pocket skills.  It's not the strength of his game at all.  His "pocket skills" are him running away from a pocket at the first sign of pressure, scrambling around and buying time while his receivers run the scramble drill with him and hitting what is usually a wide open man, or other times tossing up a 50/50 ball that they usually more often than not seem to come down with.  

I'll give him credit because he does it well... but that's not playing pocket QB.  That's backyard football poo mixed with the read option and arguably the best running back in the league.  I'm curious as to how that offense would look if they had just an average RB back there, and receivers that weren't quite so eager to scramble around with Wilson like a chicken that just had their head cut off for a ball that might not even come their way.

Bingo!

"Oops, there it is!"

You're right. Wilson has poor pocket presence indeed, and is always quick/the first to leave it, and heave a dangerous looking floater down field.

Pay attention, some of you dissenting Panther Fans (LLL)!!

[Mr. Scot]

Wilson is better than a lot give him credit for on here, but he's also nowhere near as good as the general population and media make him out to be.

This is a very accurate statement.

[Mr. Scot]

From Conor Orr on NFL.com...

Who will get a better deal: Cam or Russell?

So while we wait for the fireworks, we decided to poll a number of NFL contract advisors to get their opinion on a simple question: Will Wilson end up getting a better deal than Cam Newton, and will it even be close?

A summation of their thoughts, which were provided under the request of anonymity, are as follows:

» It won't even be in the same universe. The interesting thing is that Wilson used to have the same agent Cam Newton did before parting ways. There is always a 'way things work' in every sport and perhaps Wilson's new agent hasn't been influenced by those hidden rules yet. Had he kept his old agent, would one domino have fallen right after the other?

» Wilson likely wants something in the $30 million per year range (six years, $180 million?), but is setting himself up for a floor that could provide a nice, soft landing at $25 million per year. Because of his two Super Bowl appearances (and one Super Bowl win) the guarantees in any eventual deal will be far closer to $100 million than Newton's despite the fact that, functionally, Wilson still raises some of the same concerns as a prospect coming out college as he does now. After Marshawn Lynch, will he be the same player?

» Wilson has all the leverage assuming Seattle needs him and doesn't see their system running functionally with anyone else. Why? In order to keep placing the franchise tag on Wilson, which Seattle would probably do on an exclusive basis so as not to expose Wilson to other teams, it would cost Seattle more in guarantees over three years than Newton received in five. Despite a rise in salary cap, Wilson's contract would eventually balloon to a point where it would be difficult to put a competitive team in place. Remember, franchise tag numbers rise every year and jump exponentially for teams applying them to the same player in consecutive seasons.

» It's interesting that there are a few very good teams on the verge of being great teams that would create one heck of a bidding war for Wilson should he hit the open market, giving Seattle little relief.

[TheRed]

If he thinks he's worth $30 million per year, just lol.

Whatever they end up giving Wilson, he should give some of it to Marshawn as a thank you.

[Mr. Scot]

Another wrinkle from PFT (link)

Per multiple sources, Wilson is looking for a considerable portion of the contract to be fully guaranteed. While he’s not asking for the entire deal to be fully guaranteed, it’s a larger portion than traditional veteran contracts.

It’s become a stumbling block not because of the guarantee itself but because of the league’s funding rule, which requires almost every penny of any future payments guaranteed for skill, injury, and cap to be paid into escrow upon signing. While Seahawks owner Paul Allen, the richest of the very rich men who control NFL franchises, can afford to put the money aside ahead of time, multiple sources tell PFT he doesn’t want to.

It’s unclear why he doesn’t want to do it, since he can do it with the stroke of a pen. And it invites further speculation that the funding rule, which was created to protect players from owners who lack the future cash to honor guaranteed payments, has become a tool for collusion among NFL teams.

Florio speculates this is all about avoiding fully guaranteed contracts, but since Wilson apparently isn't asking for that, I'm not sure it makes sense.

So why would Paul Allen balk at setting aside the money for his QB?

 

 

[ctrcat]

From Conor Orr on NFL.com...

Who will get a better deal: Cam or Russell?

30 mil over 6???!!!  Bwahahahahah!!!!!

[Mr. Scot]

If the 6 year, 30 million per year thing is just a bargaining ploy, i could understand that.  Granted it's a little out there (8 million a year above Rodgers?) but that's part of negotiating.

If he really thinks he's worth that though?  Yikes.

[FootballMaestro]

Another wrinkle from PFT (link)

Florio speculates this is all about avoiding fully guaranteed contracts, but since Wilson apparently isn't asking for that, I'm not sure it makes sense.

So why would Paul Allen balk at setting aside the money for his QB?

 

 

I forgot Paul Allen owns the Seahawks.

He's been a quirky, unpredictable dude historically. And the Seahawks may be one of his few successes after co-founding Microsoft with Bill Gates. So it's a possibility he may do something crazy contractually, unless his Football people tell him "Hell No". "He's not worth it".

Personally, I think it would be crazy to give Wilson that type of money. I see the same player, with the same question marks, which made him a second round draft pick a few years back

Things would be terribly different if that defense and Lynch weren't on that team. I've never seen him ever carry that offense. And that makes a big difference (whether people easily see that or not).

Wilson's a small QB, who can't see over the line, who needs to scramble out of the pocket, or throw one-read loopers, floaters, jump balls, and short passes in order to be successful IMHO.

[Mr. Scot]

 

Things would be terribly different if that defense and Lynch weren't on that team. I've never seen him ever carry that offense. And that makes a big difference (whether people easily see that or not).

Wilson's a small QB, who can't see over the line, who needs to scramble out of the pocket, or throw one-read loopers, floaters, jump balls, and short passes in order to be successful IMHO.

Do you pay franchise QB money for that?