Seahawks offer Wilson a deal in the range of Cam Newton's

[OneBadCat]

But Wilson would do anything to help the team!!!

I guess he's holding out for a smaller contract, right?

According to Wilson he's just doing what God believes he should do.

[Montsta]

I think Wilson is a better QB than most on here give him credit for. His deep passes and baseball slide scrambles have fuged up our defense on more occasions than I care to remember. 

That being said, he sure doesn't deserve to be the highest paid guy in the league. If he took Cam's contract as a benchmark and added say 10%, I'd say that's fair for the ring he has. 

NFL players are all alpha males by nature. Even the special teams gunners genuinely believe they are a huge part of a team's success, so it's no surprise Wilson has the ego to believe he is the reason for Seattle's success. And the idea of the team-friendly contract is sort of fan-fiction. Yes, it happens. But not often. 

Russ is not an MVP-caliber player, and shouldn't be paid like Rogers. He should be taking a standard franchise QB offer and be happy he got it. But if he feels he has some leverage and can do better, good luck to him. 

[Mr. Scot]

I respect Hawk so I'm not gonna sit here and trash his guys...but this is a pretty fuged up position Russ is putting these guys in 

It's been said - and I agree - that his having an agent who's primarily a baseball guy will be a huge monkey wrench in the works.

Remember when Biakabutuka had NBA agents?

[t96]

Watch and learn son, by the time Luck and Wilson get there contracts Cam's is going to look like a steal.

Okay, "Sir." We'll see what happens. Cam's contract will look like a steal, yes. But that will be because he's better than them and  will have an MVP season next year and we'll win the Super Bowl with him making slightly less than them. Not because either of them will make anywhere near $30M/year. Maybe, just maybe, Luck's will approach $25M/year. 

[Mr. Scot]

I think the Colts are gonna pay Luck a ridiculous amount and screw themselves in the process.

[Peppers90 NC]

RW already gave a team friendly deal with his rookie contract. He is a very good QB and will get what he is demanding from some team.

[Verge]

Aaron Rodgers

Tony Romo

Tom Brady

Ben Roethlisberger 

Philip Rivers

Peyton Manning 

Drew Brees

Andrew Luck 

Cam Newton

Matt Ryan

Joe Flaaco 

Ryan Tannehill

 

are all better than RW

 

[PhillyB]

my dream scenario is the saints trade for him and he looks like poo without a phenomenal defense and running game to bail out his 75-yard performances and we sweep them en route to the playoffs where we beat a wildcard seahawks team that scrapped their way to 9-7 after trading for starting quarterback james q. clausen 

[t96]

Aaron Rodgers

Tony Romo

Tom Brady

Ben Roethlisberger 

Philip Rivers

Peyton Manning 

Drew Brees

Andrew Luck 

Cam Newton

Matt Ryan

Joe Flaaco 

Ryan Tannehill

 

are all better than RW

 

Flacco, Tannehill, and Ryan are not better than Wilson. And if Rivers and Manning play like they did at the end of last season, they aren't better than him either.

[DaveThePanther2008]

A couple of things... 

Let me get this straight here. I'm not a Russell Wilson fan. Not by any means. I think he's very overrated by most people and isn't worthy of the contract that he'll inevitably get. But I also believe that many Panthers fans discussing him here underrate him just as much as other people overrate him. He's not an elite QB. But he's also not a game-manager or "just average" like a lot of people have said here. He's an above average QB who can make plays when called upon and limit mistakes, and is without a doubt a franchise QB that many teams wish they had--and worthy of being paid over $20M/year like franchise QBs are in the current market. He won't ever carry a team by himself like a Peyton Manning did, or an Aaron Rodgers (or like Cam has most of his career), but he's the next best thing. There are not 10 QBs in the league currently that I would take over him for the future. Yes Roethlisberger, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers are probably all currently better than him (though I honestly from what I've watched would rather have Wilson than Brady, Brees or Rivers if I was in a win-now mode), but they won't be for long.

Also (now you may say I'm nitpicking here or it doesn't matter but to me it does matter), Wilson was a 3rd round pick not a 2nd round pick, and he did not win the Super Bowl that year, but the year after. These are basic facts. Because I'm not going to get into breakdowns or specific games/plays right now, I'll list some stats. For career: 63.4% completion percentage, 9950 yards in 3 seasons, 72TD to 26 INT, 98.6 rating as well as 1877 rushing yards and 11TD. He's not just "a Super Bowl winning QB" like a Trent Dilfer or Doug Williams. He contributed to their winning the Super Bowl. Yes, the defense and Lynch are both arguably more important than him, but they don't win that Super Bowl with a QB like Flacco. I don't like when people use the argument that he won the Super Bowl to say he's worth a massive contract or to say he's better than Cam because it obviously wasn't all just him. But I also don't like when people say that they would've won that Super Bowl with any QB in the league, because it's not true. There's a lot of factors that go into it obviously, and people cite Lynch and the defense as reasons why he's overrated. But those same people ignore that he hasn't had a great offensive line by any means (way better than ours for sure, but not great) and his receivers haven't been much better than ours. He's a great young QB and is right up there with Cam and Luck for the future upper echelon of QBs. People either give him way too much credit or not enough, instead of just telling it like it is.

One I don't follow other teams draft pick so nit pick if you will.   You got my point.   So he won it his second year. BFD once again you got my point.   Your point was he is top 10.  I am not going to sit here and decide with you whether he is Top 10.   There are arguments that he isn't in the upper half of the league.  Depending on who you are talking about.   I think he has a big luck factor with him that amazes me (and many others)  I don't even want to think about how many times he was spun around and just winged it for a completion against us.  Not counting the rest of the league. 

You were the one who brought up he won the Super Bowl.  I contended just because he won it doesn't make him a Hall of Famer or even a top 10 QB.  There are lot mediocre SB winning QBs and you don't have to be a  HOFer or a top 10 to win one.  I like Wilson, to a point.  I think he has proven he belongs in this league but IMO he isn't top 10.  Which is what your opinion was.

I addressed your comment,  I thought you were and ARE way out of line calling someone an idiot because you think he is TOP 10 and he didn't.  I think his list was pretty damn accurate and to believe he would walk in and just assume #1 without a fight from the incumbent is ludicrous. Top 15 maybe and that is clearly a stretch.  He's good, He's Lucky and he has a great supporting cast and an incredible running game.  Not to mention a defense that is in the top 10 or 15 all time.

It would be interesting to see how he fares in Cleveland or NYJ where adversity runs deep.   I would venture to say he wouldn't be talking Cam Newton money.

[London Loves Luke]

One I don't follow other teams draft pick so nit pick if you will.   You got my point.   So he won it his second year. BFD once again you got my point.   Your point was he is top 10.  I am not going to sit here and decide with you whether he is Top 10.   There are arguments that he isn't in the upper half of the league.  Depending on who you are talking about.   I think he has a big luck factor with him that amazes me (and many others)  I don't even want to think about how many times he was spun around and just winged it for a completion against us.  Not counting the rest of the league. 

You were the one who brought up he won the Super Bowl.  I contended just because he won it doesn't make him a Hall of Famer or even a top 10 QB.  There are lot mediocre SB winning QBs and you don't have to be a  HOFer or a top 10 to win one.  I like Wilson, to a point.  I think he has proven he belongs in this league but IMO he isn't top 10.  Which is what your opinion was.

I addressed your comment,  I thought you were and ARE way out of line calling someone an idiot because you think he is TOP 10 and he didn't.  I think his list was pretty damn accurate and to believe he would walk in and just assume #1 without a fight from the incumbent is ludicrous. Top 15 maybe and that is clearly a stretch.  He's good, He's Lucky and he has a great supporting cast and an incredible running game.  Not to mention a defense that is in the top 10 or 15 all time.

It would be interesting to see how he fares in Cleveland or NYJ where adversity runs deep.   I would venture to say he wouldn't be talking Cam Newton money.

How people think Wilson somehow lucked himself into two superbowls is beyond me. The reason why 90% of top QB lists have Wilson in the top 10 (and above cam in most cases) is because he has some of the best pocket presence in the league and plays the read option as well as anyone in the league. The fact that this might look like 'luck' to people on this board is baffling. 

To those that say 'he's a product of that system' bla bla. Well if that product, in that system, has got you to two Super Bowls, then it suggests you have something that 30 other teams in the league don't have. Stop trying to undermine him because you haven't watched him play enough and think he's lucky. It makes the rest of us Panther fans look bitter and uneducated.

 

[CelibatePimp]

How people think Wilson somehow lucked himself into two superbowls is beyond me. The reason why 90% of top QB lists have Wilson in the top 10 (and above cam in most cases) is because he has some of the best pocket presence in the league and plays the read option as well as anyone in the league. The fact that this might look like 'luck' to people on this board is baffling. 

To those that say 'he's a product of that system' bla bla. Well if that product, in that system, has got you to two Super Bowls, then it suggests you have something that 30 other teams in the league don't have. Stop trying to undermine him because you haven't watched him play enough and think he's lucky. It makes the rest of us Panther fans look bitter and uneducated.

 

Pocket presence? Russell Wilson? You must be talking about someone else because RW is known to play poorly from the pocket and is always in a hurry to get out of the pocket. It's not about us Panther fans being bitter and uneducated, anyone who knows a bit about football knows Wilson has developed poorly as a pocket passer, including SEA fans. Read some of the dissenting opinions on this thread from the SEA forum.

 

I know we're going to pay him, and I know it's going to get done, and I know he wins games, but seriously, burrito Russell Wilson. Schneider and Carroll made that guy. They gave him the easiest darn QB job imaginable, gave him the absolute perfect role for his skillset, and bottle-fed him. Teams can't even play zone against him because of the running back he has and the read zone. They handed him the best roster in the NFL, one of the best defenses in NFL history, and said, "here, don't mess this up, make some plays for us if you can, we'll win big, and you'll be the king of the world." And now, now this kid wants to hold them hostage. Dude can't even beat single-high man coverage consistently and wants to be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL. Burrito that guy.

http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=111169&start=50

[RelaxImaPro]

Wilson is better than a lot give him credit for on here, but he's also no where near as good as the general population and media make him out to be.  There's a fine middle ground somewhere between those two extremes, and that's bout where you'll find the real Russell Wilson.  I'll also tip my hat off to Seattle, because they've literally designed the perfect offense to play to his strengths and made him look a lot better than he would otherwise.

And to the dude talking about how amazing Wilson's pocket skills are and in the same breath criticizing others for lacking knowledge on Wilson... lmao.  Wilson, for a starting NFL QB (especially one that's highly regarded), has awful pocket skills.  It's not the strength of his game at all.  His "pocket skills" are him running away from a pocket at the first sign of pressure, scrambling around and buying time while his receivers run the scramble drill with him and hitting what is usually a wide open man, or other times tossing up a 50/50 ball that they usually more often than not seem to come down with.  

I'll give him credit because he does it well... but that's not playing pocket QB.  That's backyard football poo mixed with the read option and arguably the best running back in the league.  I'm curious as to how that offense would look if they had just an average RB back there, and receivers that weren't quite so eager to scramble around with Wilson like a chicken that just had their head cut off for a ball that might not even come their way.

[DaveThePanther2008]

How people think Wilson somehow lucked himself into two superbowls is beyond me. The reason why 90% of top QB lists have Wilson in the top 10 (and above cam in most cases) is because he has some of the best pocket presence in the league and plays the read option as well as anyone in the league. The fact that this might look like 'luck' to people on this board is baffling. 

To those that say 'he's a product of that system' bla bla. Well if that product, in that system, has got you to two Super Bowls, then it suggests you have something that 30 other teams in the league don't have. Stop trying to undermine him because you haven't watched him play enough and think he's lucky. It makes the rest of us Panther fans look bitter and uneducated.

 

Lucked himself into two super bowls? Where did anyone say he lucked himself there.  He is not the reason they got there.  They got their because of their stellar defense and a balance offense. 

As far as pocket presence read up.  I won't repeat what others wrote. 

You are as far extreme as you accuse everyone else to be.   Wilson is a solid QB but you could argue that most of those QBs on that list would have taken that team to the Super Bowl.   Top 10 a stretch .... Top 15 maybe.