What about Rivera?

[Mr. Scot]

riverboat ron vs. paddleboat ron

the only thing he does consistently is flip flop between the two.

if he can decide to be riverboat ron with consistency, we win consistently.

i think both he and shula get scared and coach scared and tap the brakes far too much. they ovethink and overanalyze and paralyze the team in the process.

i think ron does a good job of getting players ready for games (although i think he has made some very questionable personnel decisions), but his problem has always been game management. same with shula.

i think gettleman has always done well with what he has been given to work with. its a different story with ron.

The hope is that having better players minimizes the opportunities to make bad decisions.

[Khyber53]

Rivera is the kind of guy who really doesn't put up a fight until he is backed into a corner and has no choice. That's why we have the slow starts in the season and play badly after bye weeks. Rivera plans each game to win and seems to stick to that plan no matter what in the early part of the season. Wins some, loses some more, gets the win-loss count going against him and the boo-birds tweeting, then he comes out swinging.

In horse racing, he'd plod along in the middle of the pack and not start pushing for the front until the jockey started using the whip. In the end, he wins some races, but each year he just runs out of track.

Hopefully this year he'll put it together from the get go and break out early.

[rayzor]

The hope is that having better players minimizes the opportunities to make bad decisions.

​or at least minimalizes the impact of bad decisions.

[CarolinaCoolin]

I think we can all agree this will be the best team Rivera will coach in his 5 years here. What he does with it will be interesting. I've said before the 2013 season I didn't think we could win the Super Bowl with him. I don't think that was fair given the talent level of the teams he's had to work with. I think he is more than capable of winning close games and taking the risks when they are called for.

[Mr. Scot]

​or at least minimalizes the impact of bad decisions.

That too.

[OneBadCat]

If  2013 Riverboat Ron made an appearance last year we probably would have won more games. Unfortunately Ron has been a work in progress before our very eyes. But he's not a bad coach and he makes a great defense.

He just needs go for the win when the game is on the line. He now has the offensive weapons to justify it and (hopefully) the o-line to do his bidding.

[CarolinaCoolin]

If  2013 Riverboat Ron made an appearance last year we probably would have won more games. Unfortunately Ron has been a work in progress before our very eyes. But he's not a bad coach and he makes a great defense.

He just needs go for the win when the game is on the line. He now has the offensive weapons to justify it and (hopefully) the o-line to do his bidding.

Probably in only 3 games can you actually say that. We got blown at most of the games we lost

[pantherclaw]

I'm sorry, but we're not winning a Super Bowl until Rivera and Shula leave. Unfortunately, that means McDermott, Washington and Wilks will have to leave too but Ron just doesn't possess enough of a tactical mind to win. He still struggles with game management and in-game adjustments.

Then there's Shula. There was a reason why he hasn't had a high profile job in years.

Why are you sorry? That you are offering an unpopular opinion, or that you are hating on the coaches? 

 

I think Ron is a damn good coach. He hasn't been the best head coach, but considering he was never a head coach at any level before. I think it understandible that he had a learning curve.  

 

Ia on the fence when it comes to Shula. I'll review him after this coming season.

[t96]

Right, because it takes experience and extensive knowledge to diagnose what transpires when our offense and/or defense struggles, when we waste an eight minute drive because we forgot how to call a timeout, when we don't know which guys to put on the field UNTIL majority of the season is gone, when we're an inch away from victory but choose to punt it, etc. Yet when compared to a Darth Hoodie, Caroll, Arians, and Harbaugh, it's the polar opposite in coaching attributes. Imagine that.

Again, yep. That all takes a PhD in Quantum Mechanics to analyze. No mere mortal can decipher the complex code we witness every gameday.

Try again.

​How about trying to use some evidence, cold hard evidence, that all the struggles you mentioned are solely because of Rivera, and not because of the players, other coaches, or other factors. You have said numerous times in this thread that Rivera DEFINITELY WILL NOT WIN A SUPER BOWL. That is the dumbest thing I've heard in my life. 

"when our offense and/or defense struggles"

Right because that's definitely on Rivera, and only Rivera. Not the fact that we were forced to play Cason and Godfrey because of injuries, that Hardy was ineligible to play and we were still paying him, that we had Byron fuging Bell at LT, Nate fuging Chandler at RT, and Jerricho fuging Cotchery as our 2nd best WR, that Shula made mistakes, that McDermott made mistakes, or that the players made mistakes. All on Rivera, and only Rivera.

"when we waste an eight minute drive because we forgot how to call a timeout"

Elaborate please, and show me an exact game where this happened. Otherwise, it's just bullshit. 

"when we don't know which guys to put on the field UNTIL majority of the season is gone"

You are not qualified to say which players were ready to play because you were not at practice and have no idea how to evaluate players' performances. Everybody thinks that because a player steps in and plays well late in the season that they would have played just as well early in the season, but that is not necessarily the case. Especially with rookies and young players still working on learning the playbook and understanding the playbook to the full extent necessary to play, as well as developing during the year. And last year many of the players that stepped up late in the year were hurt. Bene, Boston, Turner, Norman and Philly all missed extensive time in the middle of the season. Remmers, who came in and played very well when the "majority of the season was gone" wasn't even on the roster before. Clearly, you're just talking out of your ass.

"when we're an inch away from victory but choose to punt it"

Again, show me exactly where this happened. Oh wait, you can't. Because it never happened.

"Yet when compared to a Darth Hoodie, Caroll, Arians, and Harbaugh, it's the polar opposite in coaching attributes."

So you have watched every single game that these coaches have coached and determined that every single attribute of theirs is "the polar opposite" of Rivera's? Obviously not. And none of these coaches have ever had their "offense/defense struggle" or had players step up when the majority of the season is gone and play better than players that had played earlier in the year? Once again talking out of your ass. Arians and Harbaugh (if you're talking about Jim) haven't even won a Super Bowl. And "Darth Hoodie" is regarded as the greatest coach of all time, so expecting Rivera to be as good as him, or any other coach ever, is ridiculous.

 

You're making a silly argument with no basis of fact whatsoever, and none of what you said even makes Rivera incapable of winning a Super Bowl as you so claim. 

[PandaMan]

I'm drunk.  But hoo cares, my biggest gripe with Rivera is his performance after bye weeks.  If we ever get to the Superb Owl that HAS to get corrected... otherwise we're fuged.  

[The Huddler]

i am 100% behind rivera

 

hes never had a good roster ovr

[The Huddler]

I'm drunk.  But hoo cares, my biggest gripe with Rivera is his performance after bye weeks.  If we ever get to the Superb Owl that HAS to get corrected... otherwise we're fuged.  

​me too...  im yuengling porter    wbu?

[CarolinaSamurai]

I like Rivera even though he's always had a soft spot for hard workers who may not have the physical ability aka Godfrey.  And sure he sometimes forgets he has time outs in the 4th quarter (though I think most of the time he is relying on the defense to be on the field to end the game and having as little time as possible helps that method.) These are also good qualities,  being loyal gets players who want to win for you not because you said so but because they know you'll go to bat for them.  Ending the game with the defense which has been the strongest of the team and league makes sense too.  It just bites us in the ass this last year because the lack of choices that werent rookies or unknown and we couldn't covert or stop the other team at the end of the game.  All of these problems are fixed through gaining talent and having rookies learning the game and playing so they arnt rookies anymore.  We have made great strides in addressing those issues.  So let's hold off on saying we can't win with Rivera or Shula till we see them play.