Russell Wilson or Elite Defense

[Louie]

Last year, Carolina managed to be a top defense without Greg Hardy, but while paying him over 13 million dollars and while having only a few millon dollars in cap space. Next year, I believe,  we will have over 16 million in cap space. In 2017 we will have over 60 million in cap space, all this WITH Newton's new contract. Let that sink in. New Orleans is only 27 MILLION OVER the cap in 2016. There is no "huddle logic" or any of that other bullcrap you want to call it going on here. Both Seattle and New Orleans are going to be in much worse shape than Carolina in the future. Our team is on the rise and our window is starting to open. Seattle is going to be ok, but not as good, while, I believe the Saint's window is about to be slammed shut very soon.

[thefuzz]

​Your wrong my friend most dual threat QB's will be running for 95% of their career so the stats should be counted and when they do age they will still run but the amount of yards they will gain might  drop of little bit.

​Most "duel threat" QB's don't have long career's my friend, and only a couple of them were ever thought of to be the best in the game when they were playing.

If you can't consistently play from the pocket, you probably won't have a long and prosperous career.

[TheRed]

​We are talking about making QB's 100M dollar men.  Running is the one trait that always slows down as a QB ages, time and again, the QB's slow, and begin to get more and more injuries.

I just prefer not to use the rushing stats when judging QB's and how good they are.  If they can run, fantastic, but the game is won from the pocket.  Passing is much more important.

​Well, we know Newton can play from the pocket. So I don't see the problem. Honestly I would like to see more of that.

But you can't win unless you're scoring points, and taking 231 career points scored out of the equation just because they were rushing is ridiculous.

[thefuzz]

​Well, we know Newton can play from the pocket. So I don't see the problem. Honestly I would like to see more of that.

But you can't win unless you're scoring points, and taking 231 career points scored out of the equation just because they were rushing is ridiculous.

​I totally understand, and can somewhat agree, but those 231 points haven't really helped us win a ton of games either.

When I'm looking at QB's I just tend to favor the passing, not the rushing.  

[mbarbour21]

Like I said earlier in a different thread, Cam's surroundings are why he has had to play the style he has. Once he gets a good line, he won't have to run for his life. Now that he has good receivers, he should have people open. And now that he has gotten better with where everyone is and going through progressions, he should be able to make better decisions. (Throwing instead of taking off) 

[shreddingdefense]

​I totally understand, and can somewhat agree, but those 231 points haven't really helped us win a ton of games either.

When I'm looking at QB's I just tend to favor the passing, not the rushing.  

Some of the loses also stemmed from defense breakdowns. Long pass play given up when the opponent was in their own territory for example.

[TheRed]

​I totally understand, and can somewhat agree, but those 231 points haven't really helped us win a ton of games either.

When I'm looking at QB's I just tend to favor the passing, not the rushing.  

​Well if you're going the "they haven't helped us win games" route, then you can take passing touchdowns off the table too if those games were losses.

But why would you do that? See what I'm saying. Either you count points scored or you don't.

But I think we generally see what the other is getting at here, so it's all good.

[Ace_Aladdin]

​Most "duel threat" QB's don't have long career's my friend, and only a couple of them were ever thought of to be the best in the game when they were playing.

If you can't consistently play from the pocket, you probably won't have a long and prosperous career.

​Where talking about true modern dual threat QBs which really started when Cam entered the league, not Jamarcus Russell or Michael Vick who are not true dual threat QBs, so "real trend just started and you can't judge modern day dual threat QB until 15 years from. And when you are a true "dual threat" QB you can you play from the pocket and have exceptinonal running game with it. 

Last time i check Cam looks to throw first before running. Your definition  and brain is biased to the past, get with the time bro.

[Marguide]

​Where talking about true modern dual threat QBs which really started when Cam entered the league, not Jamarcus Russell or Michael Vick who are not true dual threat QBs, so "real trend just starred...

I have to disagree about dual threats being a new thing. Guy's like Fran Tarkenton and Randall Cuningham and Steve Young were true dual threat QB's. I love Cam and his style of play, but yes, it's been done before.

[thefuzz]

​Where talking about true modern dual threat QBs which really started when Cam entered the league, not Jamarcus Russell or Michael Vick who are not true dual threat QBs, so "real trend just started and you can't judge modern day dual threat QB until 15 years from. And when you are a true "dual threat" QB you can you play from the pocket and have exceptinonal running game with it. 

Last time i check Cam looks to throw first before running. Your definition  and brain is biased to the past, get with the time bro.

​You need to study up on QB's.

If you don't think that Elway, Young, and Tarkenton were "duel threat" QB's you are mistaken.  The name may be new, and I find it stupid, but that's about it.  QB's who run as much as Cam don't normally hold up long term, and the ones that do, are rarely the best QB's in the game.  Just the way it is.

[Ace_Aladdin]

​You need to study up on QB's.

If you don't think that Elway, Young, and Tarkenton were "duel threat" QB's you are mistaken.  The name may be new, and I find it stupid, but that's about it.  QB's who run as much as Cam don't normally hold up long term, and the ones that do, are rarely the best QB's in the game.  Just the way it is.

​Nope  not the same level that why I said Modern day Duel threat QB. I believe none of them have  ever had over 500 + rushing yards   and the amount of rushing TD's Cam produce each season. They may have started the trend but where not  true "dual threat QBs" 

P.S.  Cam is like Lebron James  his body can take the punishment and he also takes care of his body very well. Just look at the injuries he overcame  last season and if you watched  his game he had more severe hits while staying in pockets rather than when he is running and punishing defenders.  

Pocket Examples, hit from Cameron Wake during the Miami game  in 2013 season bro.