Cam vs Jake?

[QueensKing]

Well, it depends.  If Cam ever replicated "Bad Jake" all of the DA fans would be very happy right now.  Good Cam is better than good Jake, but let's not forget all of the Pro-Bowl talent and the great Steve Smith in his prime who Jake was able to capitalize on.  I don't Jake would've gotten us to the playoffs last year with our offensive "talent"

[X-Clown on 1]

Steve won the triple crown with Jake in 2005, imagine what those numbers look like with Cam plugged into that same team.

[panthers55]

Jake had a good 2-3 complete meltdown games a year, even in his prime. Cam never really shits the bed like Jake did.

​Cam has had a few awful games every year as well.  It happens to most every quarterback.  Cam has only recently stepped up when he was under pressure and made big throws.  That is what Jake was known to do.  If you looked at the list of quarterbacks all-time who did the best when the other team scored 21 points, Jake was on that list, Cam wasn't.

 

Cam has a much higher ceiling than Jake and that is why most folks would rather have Cam than Jake but it were to see who would do better this season, Cam now or Jake in his prime. You could make a strong case that Jake would be as good a choice or better. Problem with Jake was he was never confused with an athlete based on body appearance.

[hepcat]

Cam is more consistent than Jake.  Delhomme was a very hot/cold QB.  In Madden terms, some plays or even entire games he'd play like he was rated 68, but then other games and certain moments he'd play like he was rated 99.  Cam is always like, an 80-90.  I'd rather have that.  I want Cam Newton and Steve Smith playing on the same team in their primes....

[panthers55]

Steve won the triple crown with Jake in 2005, imagine what those numbers look like with Cam plugged into that same team.

​Dont know they would be any higher.  Cam had trouble finding Smith and hitting him with an accurate ball.  There is a reason that we are drafting huge receivers with big wingspans.  

[X-Clown on 1]

​Dont know they would be any higher.  Cam had trouble finding Smith and hitting him with an accurate ball.  There is a reason that we are drafting huge receivers with big wingspans.  

​If Jake had to throw the ball farther than 50 yards, it was a lofted duck.  How many times did Smitty go up and grab it in double coverage.  Imagine Cam's arm throwing to him in stride.

[panthers55]

I would have to imagine Cam throwing him in stride because way too often it was too short and way over his head.  I dont what happened to Cam's deep ball but it has been missing for some time.  And it isnt just time to throw but timing and accuracy.

[Zaximus]

​If Jake had to throw the ball farther than 50 yards, it was a lofted duck.  How many times did Smitty go up and grab it in double coverage.  Imagine Cam's arm throwing to him in stride.

​People tend to forget Jake also helped Moose become the #1 WR the year Smith was hurt.   Give the guy some credit.  Moose never replicated that season in Chicago when he left.  Jake was better than people give him credit for.  He's not a better athlete than Cam and most likely won't be a better QB at the end of it.   It's more fair to say Cam has a much higher ceiling than Jake ever had.

[Khyber53]

In many ways, it is all about expectations. Everyone expects greatness from Cam, and have throughout his career. No one ever expected Jake to even be a starting QB in the league for most of his time.

Cam's got the frame, the arm and the speed to be a defining quarterback for this age of the NFL. He really does have it all and he has the touchdowns to prove it along with the endorsements.

Jake had a 40-yard time measured with a calendar, an arm that gave out on him at the end and the worst NFL haircut of the modern age. 

Something is different in the two, though. Jake hit the team at the exact right moment in his life and he took the team to the top of the NFL the very first chance he got. He did it by winning games he had no right to win. He did it with a team that looks much, much better in hindsight than it did to those watching that year. Our defense was good, but nowhere near as good as our current one. And injuries went up and down the line for that team as well. Somehow that average Joe Cajun guy was able to win games. 

Cam has won games, too, just not as many over the first four years with us. And I know, there are a ton of reasons why he hasn't. There are plenty of excuses. You've thought of two or three just reading this. He has the attributes, he has the skills, he has the opportunities. He is maturing.

It's a shame to have to pick between the two. One was a once in a franchise David and Goliath type that kept you on the edge of the seat until the final seconds of the clock ticked off. The other one is a once in a franchise ideal football player who can be the heart and face of the team. He just hasn't quite come of age yet.

Jake took our franchise and gave it legitimacy; without him we'd be just like the Jaguars. But if Jake's the one to give us a legitimate claim to the throne, then Cam is the chosen one to wear the crown.

 

[Mr. Scot]

In many ways, it is all about expectations. Everyone expects greatness from Cam, and have throughout his career. No one ever expected Jake to even be a starting QB in the league for most of his time.

Cam's got the frame, the arm and the speed to be a defining quarterback for this age of the NFL. He really does have it all and he has the touchdowns to prove it along with the endorsements.

Jake had a 40-yard time measured with a calendar, an arm that gave out on him at the end and the worst NFL haircut of the modern age. 

Something is different in the two, though. Jake hit the team at the exact right moment in his life and he took the team to the top of the NFL the very first chance he got. He did it by winning games he had no right to win. He did it with a team that looks much, much better in hindsight than it did to those watching that year. Our defense was good, but nowhere near as good as our current one. And injuries went up and down the line for that team as well. Somehow that average Joe Cajun guy was able to win games. 

Cam has won games, too, just not as many over the first four years with us. And I know, there are a ton of reasons why he hasn't. There are plenty of excuses. You've thought of two or three just reading this. He has the attributes, he has the skills, he has the opportunities. He is maturing.

It's a shame to have to pick between the two. One was a once in a franchise David and Goliath type that kept you on the edge of the seat until the final seconds of the clock ticked off. The other one is a once in a franchise ideal football player who can be the heart and face of the team. He just hasn't quite come of age yet.

Jake took our franchise and gave it legitimacy; without him we'd be just like the Jaguars. But if Jake's the one to give us a legitimate claim to the throne, then Cam is the chosen one to wear the crown.

 

​Good post.

[pantherphan96]

Cam with young Steve Smith, stacked OL, Foster and Davis? 15-1.

[pantherphan96]

Jake's OL, RBs, and WRs were much better than what Cam has had so far. Hopefully this year our RBs (if stew stays healthy) and WRs will finally eclipse having Steve, Moose, and Proehl. And hopefully the OL will be better too.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

could you imagine cam on our 2008 team?  that would have been amazing to see.

[Mr. Scot]

I'd like to imagine how much further our 2004 and after teams could have gone if it would have been Dave Gettleman building the rosters.

We'd certainly never have had those boondoggle contracts we've had to get out from under (including, sadly, Jake's last deal).