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"No debate" these QBs are better than Cam Newton

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CelibatePimp Newbie

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That is convenient because it gives opportunity to critique no matter the outcome.

 

 

 

​No one is critiquing Rodgers, Brady, Brees or those other QBs. It's QBs like Romo, Dalton etc who always seem to have some sort of excuse that are being critiqued.

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Lumps Newbie

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I would agree with all but Kap, Palmer, Culter and Ryan as a 50/50.   If Cam improved his footwork and his classroom IQ, the rest of the skill are there for him to pass a few more of these guys.

Your post doesn't make sense. You can't be 50/50 on a 'no debate' list. So, you agree with the list seeing as your 50/50 on certain ones but did not list a player there was absolute certainty, with no debate, Cam was better than. I think a lot of posters misunderstood what 'no debate' means. I agree with the list except Eli, Kap, Cutler, Romo, Ryan, and Stafford. The rest are no debate to me.
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frash.exe Apprentice

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I'm at the point where I don't care about comparisons to other QBs and whether or not Cam is better or worse than they are. I know Cam has the talent and the ceiling to be good enough to help this team win a Super Bowl and if nobody else thinks that way it's not going to make me lose any sleep.

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JawnyBlaze Grand Master

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Invalidated based on stats or your own opinion? Stats seem to support my statement. We even had a thread on it here using data from FO I think. However I will give you stats from NFL.com for 2013 and 2014.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2013&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT&tabSeq=2&season=2014&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

SEA oline ranked 12 in number of QB hits in 2014 and CAR ranked 24th. In 2013 SEA ranked 11th and CAR ranked 27th. What measure are you using for your oline? Do share.

​If you want to use "stats" that are dependent on factors other than the o-line play, lets use the fact that Seattle has been toward the top of the league in rushing yards for the past few years, where Carolina has been upper middle class.  How bout rushing TDs?  Seattle #1, Carolina #21.  Rushing plays for negative yards?  Carolina 46, Seattle 41.  Anyone can bend stats to fit their agenda.  Bottom line, if you watch both O-lines and think Carolina's is better than Seattle's then you're not paying attention.  Seattle's isn't great by any means, but the simple fact they weren't starting Bell and Chandler means they were better.

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