Still a litte Confused why we passed over .......

[Mol3m4n]

It was his wrist.

Case closed.

[caatfan]

He went 29 picks after Funchess, so nearly every team had a shot at him but passed.

I think that says it all.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Thx for the thread mama Strong.

The Jalen Strong legend continues...you would think he made a catch in Spartanburg to get this much love.

I think huddlers are mancrushing on his muscles.

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[juliosantos]

Watch the film vs marcus peters . Peters locked him up all game and he did get a td but it was zone. Strong is not as good as people think.

He cant create seperation, hes not a good route runner, he goes ghost vs good corners, if marcus peters is shutting him down what you think players like richard Sherman are going to do?

Funchess on the other hand is a play maker, runs good routes , got good acceleration , match up threat. Its good for us that he had a horrible qb and that he was injured for most games this season

. Combine means abs nothing, it makes good players fall and players that are just athletic rise for example perriman, dorsett and brandin cooks the year before.

On tape shaq was rated a top 10 pick before combine and funchess was a late first before combine .

To keep it simple trust dave , he knows how to find talent

[KSpan]

Someone also posted a great combine video of Funchess and Strong running the same in route... Funchess' fundamentals and polish blew Strong out of the water. Not saying that Strong can't or won't improve, but why not take the guy who has similar measurables and significantly more polish?

[IamSoClutch]

If anything you should wonder what ozzie saw in perriman that gettlemen didnt

[thefuzz]

Football smarts, ability to separate, and the wrist.

 

 

I'm telling you guys, if it's the scaphoid, it's a bigger deal than you think.

[Woodie]

they had a first round grade on funchess and a 2nd round grade on strong.

 

that's why we (and a lot of other teams) passed on strong. the teams actually doing the drafting didn't have him hyped like the draftniks did.

 

Hype is the great evil of the NFL draft.  It makes the casual fan feel like master evaluators and knowledgeable insiders, when the reality is all they understand are superficial bullet points of a prospect. 

 

Many, many fans don't seem to realize that the Mel Kipers and Mike Mayocks of the world do not really know what they are talking about and are only there for fun and to give fans something to talk about.  Unfortunately, it's the fans that take these so-called experts' word as gospel that typically scream the loudest about reaches and mistakes.   

[magnus]

People get enamored by measurables, and absolutely that runs both ways - the groans about Funchess went away when the 4.7 from combine became a 4.47 at pro day.  Strong was a measurables guy.  Yet another tall, fast, terrible at his craft spread receiver. 

 

I think people had this expectation that you had to have a 4.40 guy on the other side because Kelvin's so big.  That wasn't necessarily true.  Funchess may be fast enough, but Benjamin made a solid living being the deep guy and that's telling.  All this worry about whether a safety takes three steps this way or that way won't matter.   It's whether a corner has to respect deep speed, but also what happens under that.  

 

If you bring in a guy like Strong, whose routes aren't great but can live in the slot because he can feel the zone, you have to know he's on the same page as his QB.  That's where Strong's whiteboard work probably let him down.  That his routes aren't great will limit him immensely outside.  

 

So, for a 2nd round pick, you're valuing one guy who has great routes, or a guy who runs one route.

 

 

 

To the OP, they did a lot of work on 400+ prospects, grading them, scrutinizing them, working them out.  It wasn't really a choice between two players the way that you or I might think it was, they worked their board and they had our guy much higher.  

[C47]

Because Strong isn't even close to the player his combine made him look like. 

[rmoneyg35]

I read a lot about how Strong wasn't really that good and couldn't make big catches or big plays consistently. Add the wist injury and that could be why he fell.

Just because Mel Kiper, ESPN, NFL network and other media say Strong is a 1st round player doesn't mean the actual NFL scouts think the same.

[Mr. Scot]

they had a first round grade on funchess and a 2nd round grade on strong.

 

that's why we (and a lot of other teams) passed on strong. the teams actually doing the drafting didn't have him hyped like the draftniks did.

 

word has been that funchess wouldn't have made it to our 2nd round pick. several teams were really interested in him.

 

that just wasn't the case with strong. who exactly were the ones saying that he was polished and more proven? probably the same ones saying that funchess had a low football IQ based on zero conversations with the kid.

 

these draftnik hacks that people keep on quoting and listening to leading up to the draft are barely more knowledgeable than many fans and they all make a lot of pretty illinformed assumptions about what teams are looking for (if they even bother to research them at all) and base their rankings off of essentially a couple highlight videos and usually just parrot each other.

 

Hype is the great evil of the NFL draft.  It makes the casual fan feel like master evaluators and knowledgeable insiders, when the reality is all they understand are superficial bullet points of a prospect. 

 

Many, many fans don't seem to realize that the Mel Kipers and Mike Mayocks of the world do not really know what they are talking about and are only there for fun and to give fans something to talk about.  Unfortunately, it's the fans that take these so-called experts' word as gospel that typically scream the loudest about reaches and mistakes.   

 

People get enamored by measurables, and absolutely that runs both ways - the groans about Funchess went away when the 4.7 from combine became a 4.47 at pro day.  Strong was a measurables guy.  Yet another tall, fast, terrible at his craft spread receiver. 

 

I think people had this expectation that you had to have a 4.40 guy on the other side because Kelvin's so big.  That wasn't necessarily true.  Funchess may be fast enough, but Benjamin made a solid living being the deep guy and that's telling.  All this worry about whether a safety takes three steps this way or that way won't matter.   It's whether a corner has to respect deep speed, but also what happens under that.  

 

If you bring in a guy like Strong, whose routes aren't great but can live in the slot because he can feel the zone, you have to know he's on the same page as his QB.  That's where Strong's whiteboard work probably let him down.  That his routes aren't great will limit him immensely outside.  

 

So, for a 2nd round pick, you're valuing one guy who has great routes, or a guy who runs one route.

 

To the OP, they did a lot of work on 400+ prospects, grading them, scrutinizing them, working them out.  It wasn't really a choice between two players the way that you or I might think it was, they worked their board and they had our guy much higher.  

 

I wish more people understood just how little media types actually know about what goes on in team war rooms.

 

Seven different media types might all say the same thing, and might all be wrong.

 

Media types and www,draftwhatever.com are not professional talent evaluators.  Some may be better at it than others but they're still not pros and ther opinions need to be taken with several grains of salt.  Thinking that you can judge professional personnel people by whether media types agree with them or not is a joke.

[Mother Grabber]

he wasn't BPA at any of our picks.

[*FreeFua*]

If you idiots can't figure it out by now there's no helping you