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[teeray]

Times like this is when I really feel like a dumbass for liking wrestling. I'm literally too smart for this poo. 

So, Brock Lesnar is the #1 good guy in the company and the most over guy period. Smarks and marks love him and he sells a ton of merchandise because he's a legitimate badass. You build up this huge match vs. your #1 heel Seth Rollins for the World Title at Battleground. All of your promotion is based on LESNAR VS. ROLLINS in huge bold letters. Almost like this is a huge UFC fight. Both sides of the fandom get excited for the match. Smarks because both Rollins and Lesnar are amazing wrestlers and marks because Rollins is finally going to get him comeuppance. The event finally gets here and the match only lasts 4 minutes before being thrown out due to interference. 

The man who is interfering is a 70 year old man who is supposed to be a literal zombie who can shoot lightening out of his hands. He is angry because Brock Lesnar basically raped him in the ring 1.5 years ago. Brock Lesnar was absolutely killing Seth Rollins so Undertaker could have waited for Lesnar to pin Rollins, so he would then be getting a WWE title match, but instead he just attacks the man 4 minutes in. A 70 year old man who can barely walk literally destroys the man who you push as THE BEAST INCARNATE. THE BADDEST MAN ON THE PLANET. AN UNSTOPPABLE CYBORG OF DEATH. 

Now, it gets even dumber when you think about it because Undertaker is obviously going to be the good guy here. No one is going to boo the Undertaker ever again. He's just reached that point where he's a face no matter what he does because of his legendary status. But lets take a look at some reasons why Undertaker being the good guy is completely retarded in this scenario

1) From a kayfabe standpoint Brock Lesnar literally did nothing wrong. The Undertaker is the one who literally BEGGED Lesnar to fight him. Brock did not cheat to pin the Undertaker, Brock straight up demolished Undertaker and pinned him clean. 

2) From a business standpoint Brock Lesnar is your franchise guy right now. He's the guy you build around and the fans get excited to see. It makes no sense for him to turn heel against a 70 year old man who has nothing left to give to the business. 

To make matters worse, a Lesnar vs. Undertaker rematch is something that literally no one wants to see. Their last match was awful and even when Undertaker was in his prime his matches against Lesnar were just decent at best. The company stands to gain absolutely nothing from this match. If Brock Lesnar wins, oh well, he just beat up an old man. If the Undertaker wins it completely undoes every bit of Brock being a monster. If Taker wins they're basically saying that none of the new wrestlers are good enough to beat Brock Lesnar, but an over the hill guy who can barely walk is good enough to beat him. What does that say about your current roster? 

To go back to another point, why does the WWE just get a free pass on not delivering a product they promoted? Can you imagine if Conor McGregor vs. Chad Mendes ended in a DQ? Hell, what if the Super Bowl ended in a DQ? The shitstorm would be enormous. But wrestling fans just deal with the bullshit because wrestling is fake. Well movies are fake too and could you imagine the shitstorm if next year Batman vs. Superman ends with Rambo showing up and making both of them his bitch? For the people watching on the network it's not even that big of a loss. Just a huge letdown but financially it's alright. But for the people who actually paid to go to the event it has to suck majorly. 

 

fug this company. 

Well, you are literally too smart for this poo.  But it is wrestling, there is some suspension of disbelief that has to go into watching wrestling much like any television show or movie.

That is your opinion  (and a damn fine opinion if I do say so myself).  But let me see if a can't give you another perspective on some of your opinions.

You have a good point about the match length.  IMO they have booked Lesnar way too strong, but more importantly, they have booked Rollins way to weak because he is a chickenshit heel.  Which is fine.  But now you have a guy booked way to strong against a guy way to weak with no help and they are virtually creatively cornered into a squash match.

As far as ending in DQ, well, that is just wrestling.  How do you keep a weak guy from losing the title to a monster?  Outside interference.  It is just a device to forward a story.

I personally like the fact Lesnar is not the champ because I think it is lame not having the champ around for 4 months at a time.

And as far as the Undertaker interfering not making kayfabe sense, don't forget that in kayfabe Lesnar also broke Kane's leg last Monday and taunted him for being Undertaker's little brother.  Undertaker may have been stewing over his loss, but them brutally attacking his brother may have been the straw that broke the camel's back.  

Also, IMO the Brock Lesnar character is better as a heel.  He is booked too strong, the only way to draw real suspense is to have a babyface that has to overcome a monster.

I am a little biased because I feel that in the kayfabe world the guy who should give Rollins his comeuppance is Dean Ambrose.  He was the guy most emotionally hurt by the breakup of the Shield and has literally been chasing him around for over a year now.  I am not necessarily saying Dean is ready to be champ, but he needs his blow off and resolution to his character's objective for last 16 or so months.

It is indeed weird taking the biggest babyface and making him wrestle a legend who will never get booed.  My guess is maybe they book it baby vs baby.  The reason for the match?  It will sell tickets.  That is really a criticism of the WWE that they can't seem to build good stars anymore that can draw, so they keep bringing in old timers for their big events.  There are rumors that another legend may be wrestling at SummerSlam so stay tuned.

Anyway, that is my opinion, but you are also not wrong.  WWE walks around with its head up its own ass creatively so half this poo doesn't make any sense.  But when they do good it is frigging fantastic, so I still watch hoping that it eventually hits it's stride.

 

 

[frash.exe]

They never had direction for big show. When he debuted in 99 I think he went through about 3 or 4 face/heel turns in that year alone. 

Seth Rollins I really like, although I feel like they don't give him enough credibility. I know they need to build Brock strong, but at the expense of burying everyone on the roster to justify breaking the streak for a guy who wrestles 4 times a year? It's funny how he's doing a lot of the stuff people grew to hate Cena for that he doesn't even do anymore, and everybody loves it. He has five moves and supermans the poo out of everybody.

i love KO but I don't think they should give him the generic undefeated rookie gimmick they gave to Sheamus and 1000 others, so him losing this round is okay. Still it had to be against Cena lol.

loved Taker showing up at the last minute but then I have to sober my excitement because this is probably the last run he's going to have. He looks better than he did in '14, but overall you can tell he's lost so many steps just by watching him move for two seconds. He's having trouble lifting Brock and he didn't do any wrestling.

[Zaximus]

They ruined Big Show and Kane so long ago.  Big Show should have stuck with his "The Giant" type of persona and Kane should have stuck with his mask and his persona also.  When they took the mask of Kane, to me personally, his character was boring at that point.   Big Show has been kept around as more of a circus attraction than an actual fleshed out character for a LONG time.

[Mol3m4n]

They never had direction for big show. When he debuted in 99 I think he went through about 3 or 4 face/heel turns in that year alone. 

Seth Rollins I really like, although I feel like they don't give him enough credibility. I know they need to build Brock strong, but at the expense of burying everyone on the roster to justify breaking the streak for a guy who wrestles 4 times a year? It's funny how he's doing a lot of the stuff people grew to hate Cena for that he doesn't even do anymore, and everybody loves it. He has five moves and supermans the poo out of everybody.

i love KO but I don't think they should give him the generic undefeated rookie gimmick they gave to Sheamus and 1000 others, so him losing this round is okay. Still it had to be against Cena lol.

loved Taker showing up at the last minute but then I have to sober my excitement because this is probably the last run he's going to have. He looks better than he did in '14, but overall you can tell he's lost so many steps just by watching him move for two seconds. He's having trouble lifting Brock and he didn't do any wrestling.

100% my thoughts.

[teeray]

Rumor is now that there are two things going on with Owens behind the scenes that has nothing to do with him that is causing his peculiar booking.

1- WWE panicked when John Cena merchandise sales slowed down after he lost at Elimination Chamber so they wanted to quickly get Cena the win back

2-  there is a contingent that has Vince's ear that expected Owens to fail, and since he actually got over are now trying to cool him off to prove they were right.  There are two different contingents, one backing Owens and one working against him. For example HHH is firmly in Owens corner but rumor is Kevin Dunn is not.  That is the reason they had him not only lose but tap out.

This is according to David Meltzer.

[shreddingdefense]

Rumor is now that there are two things going on with Owens behind the scenes that has nothing to do with him that is causing this peculiar booking.

1- WWE panicked when John Cena merchandise sells slowed down after he lost at Elimination Chamber so they wanted to quickly get Cena the win back

2-  there is a contingent that has Vince's ear that expected Owens to fail, and since he actually got over are now trying to cool him off to prove they were right.  There are two different contingents, one backing Owens and one working against him. For example HHH is firmly in Owens corner but rumor is Kevin Dunn is not.  That is the reason he had him not only lose but tap out.

This is according to David Meltzer.

This always happens to someone who is over with the crowd. Someone backs them while kevin dunn/vince tries to sabotage their chances. Kevin dunn needs to be fired. It isn't what you like, it is what the consumer (ie fan) likes.

[party_animal]

Kevin Dunn, the guy responsible for Katie Vick.

[frash.exe]

Vince needs to give Hunter the skeleton key to the wwe, and Kevin Dunn the toy keys you buy for puppies at the supermarket

[Mol3m4n]

What the fug is a Kevin Dunn?

[teeray]

What the fug is a Kevin Dunn?

Head of production, exeutive producer, is on board of directors and has a history of burying the people in the back, writers, wrestlers, etc to keep his spot as head of production and stay in Vince's ear as well as being notorious for being one of the guys that thinks women in wrestling should be one step over soft core porn instead of serious competitors with serious storylines.

Maybe the most powerful guy not named McMahon in the WWE.

 

[party_animal]

Dunn believes wrestling should almost be an exact mirror of soap operas. Compete with "shocking" revelations of murder and infidelity.

[teeray]

Sooo it look like Cena vs Rollins at SummerSlam.  I wonder who will win

 

[party_animal]

So sick of John Cena in the main event. Different note, Dalton Castle's presentation as a character in ROH is incredible.

[teeray]

So sick of John Cena in the main event. Different note, Dalton Castle's presentation as a character in ROH is incredible.