Lesean McCoy on Chip Kelly: "There's a reason Chip got rid of all the good black players."

[MadHatter]

lol this may be the only thing we ever agree on.

 

i think people fail to contextualize statements like this in the black male experience, which is provably fraught with institutionalized bias. if there were no structurally-produced, systematic marginalizations of black males in society then shady would never think to question why chip kelly shipped him out; but systematic racism is a thing in our society and it's in that social context that we need to understand his statement.

 

i think mccoy is wrong. i don't think chip kelly shipped him out because he's a racist, for the reasons others have mentioned in this thread. but i can see why the possibility would cross the mind of a black male; he's undoubtedly experienced it in the past in some form or another. society is unequal and these kinds of misunderstandings are an unfortunate product of it.

 

Given the fact that Chip Kelly replaced McCoy with another black RB makes the statement that McCoy was making sound even more ludicrous.

 

Your statement above feeds right into the whole mindset that "everything negative that happens to a black man is because they are black".  McCoy got his ego bruised and he needs to make excuses for why it happened.  Much easier to go the direction that he went (race card) than to admit to himself that Kelly thought someone else (Murray) was better.  McCoy was playing the victim card.

[t96]

Not to the same extent. And not as long. I do believe that it is becoming a issue in America tho. For example, I hate seeing a white person getting overlooked for a job for a minority hire. On the other hand being black you always question if you're that minority hire. fuged up world all around.

 

How would you know that it's not to the same extent if you've never been in their shoes? I don't know what you mean by "and not as long," but if you mean whites weren't victimized many years ago then sure that may be true but it's irrelevant to the people of today. Here's I how view it: There's a lot of fuged up, racist people in this country and world. White, black, hispanic, asian, you name it. But there are even more truly good people. In my eyes we're all of the same race: the human race. And everybody should be treated as such. 

 

 

I'm going to say this and leave it alone. As a black young man in America i can never make a white man understand how it feels to be black. You'll never understand and thats completely understandable. 

 

Nobody can ever make anyone else understand how it feels to be them. We're all unique individuals with unique pasts and life situations. I understand what you're saying here but it's not a race thing to me, just people being different. You, as a young man, could never understand what it was like growing up in the 50s and 60s. 

[t96]

As a white guy, let me go on record as saying that I too have been victimized by white people. 

 

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

[MV%doe]

Shady, deshawn, and that CB are lazy, that's the main reason. They just happen to be black as well. Chip wants machines that don't question his methods.

If you want some of a idea into the feelings of black people, opening date a black woman. I have a few times, funny how black dudes treat me..... I felt black and black bros where white in a weird way.

[PhillyB]

Given the fact that Chip Kelly replaced McCoy with another black RB makes the statement that McCoy was making sound even more ludicrous.

 

Your statement above feeds right into the whole mindset that "everything negative that happens to a black man is because they are black".  McCoy got his ego bruised and he needs to make excuses for why it happened.  Much easier to go the direction that he went (race card) than to admit to himself that Kelly thought someone else (Murray) was better.  McCoy was playing the victim card.

 

i don't expect you to understand it any more than i'd expect someone born in the 1920s to understand why civil rights weren't preferential treatment to a buncha whiners. it's easy to be trapped in the context of your own time and experience, and you've clearly (by your posts) experienced a deeply bootstrappy philosophical system that's produced and reinforced your own beliefs that people are not shaped by their experiences and that everyone starts on an equal playing field.

 

i am not a black male and i cannot speak to the experience of being a black male, but i can look at everything from incarceration rates to deep-set biases against african-american english to differential legal treatment and law enforcement and understand that it might cross his mind, if he's experienced the manifestations of these structural biases, that it could've been for racial reasons.

 

like i said, i don't agree with him, and if he'd examined the situation logically it would've been obviously a foolish thing to say (and even harmful, since crying wolf can detract from the legitimacy of racial problems in america, as seen by people lining up to make "haw haw al sharpton race card" comments.) but contextualizing it makes it a little more understandable.

[AceBoogie]

How would you know that it's not to the same extent if you've never been in their shoes? I don't know what you mean by "and not as long," but if you mean whites weren't victimized many years ago then sure that may be true but it's irrelevant to the people of today. Here's I how view it: There's a lot of fuged up, racist people in this country and world. White, black, hispanic, asian, you name it. But there are even more truly good people. In my eyes we're all of the same race: the human race. And everybody should be treated as such.

Nobody can ever make anyone else understand how it feels to be them. We're all unique individuals with unique pasts and life situations. I understand what you're saying here but it's not a race thing to me, just people being different. You, as a young man, could never understand what it was like growing up in the 50s and 60s.

Touché, I can't disagree with anything you just said.

[Silent Majority]

If it makes you scratch your head lack of brain is probably causing the itch. We haven't heard from Cooper after his apology but we keep hearing from Salty...not hard to figure out. And yea he's keeping his locker room with such bad apples as DeMarco Murray, Fletcher Cox, and Jordan Matthews...how dare he, he with his agenda.

The way I see it is...racists gonna find racist things to talk about...maybe McCoy doesn't like Chip for a reason other than football or is that not allowed?

Bahahahahahaha. You people fuging kill me.

[MHS831]

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

 

I am, but it is true.  My point is, when a white guy victimizes a white guy, you can assume that it is not about race.  However, when races differ, people wonder.  To assume it is about race, however, is subjective and probably erroneous in most cases.  I know racism exists, but to assume race motivates a professional's decisions is damaging.  Personally, I don't know how anyone who has been a part of team sports could be a racist.  There are so many things that become more important than race. If people want to end racism, they need to stop making it the scapegoat. Is it likely that Chip Kelly is a racist?  No.  Does Shady have proof of his epiphany?  no.  Then the odds are pretty strong that he is wrong.

[cbully]

not a good look bro!

[Mr. Scot]

As a white guy, let me go on record as saying that I too have been victimized by white people.

Speaking for Nick Foles?

As mentioned before, this is most likely not an example of racism, but it probably is an example of an a--holery.

[Mr. Scot]

And for the record, if I'm done wrong by a white guy, I generally assume he's Irish.

(British is an option too)

[MadHatter]

i don't expect you to understand it any more than i'd expect someone born in the 1920s to understand why civil rights weren't preferential treatment to a buncha whiners. it's easy to be trapped in the context of your own time and experience, and you've clearly (by your posts) experienced a deeply bootstrappy philosophical system that's produced and reinforced your own beliefs that people are not shaped by their experiences and that everyone starts on an equal playing field.

i am not a black male and i cannot speak to the experience of being a black male, but i can look at everything from incarceration rates to deep-set biases against african-american english to differential legal treatment and law enforcement and understand that it might cross his mind, if he's experienced the manifestations of these structural biases, that it could've been for racial reasons.

like i said, i don't agree with him, and if he'd examined the situation logically it would've been obviously a foolish thing to say (and even harmful, since crying wolf can detract from the legitimacy of racial problems in america, as seen by people lining up to make "haw haw al sharpton race card" comments.) but contextualizing it makes it a little more understandable.

Love reading your academic philosophical babble...let's me know that you are actually using that liberal arts/anthropology degree that you got. Not sure that is really helps you while bar tending.

[Mol3m4n]

And for the record, if I'm done wrong by a white guy, I generally assume he's Irish.

(British is an option too)

I take offense to this.

Culturism!

[Mr. Scot]

I take offense to this.

Culturism!

Two things I hate more than anything else: People who are intolerant of other cultures, and the Dutch.