Cam needs to step up this year

[PanthersAlv]

Im pretty sure Cam stepping up will have more significance than Fozzy stepping up. 

 

But if Fozzy "steps up" won't that help Cam... in his process of Stepping up?

 

TEAM... Impacts... TEAM...

 

One grows. others grow.

 

Again, not saying Cam doesn't have things to improve on. But, he can have the best footwork in the league and not over throw a pass all season. But, if there's not one trustworthy receiver... that stats will still show Cam as the Middle of the pack QB. No matter what.

[top dawg]

If you check the qb ranking by rating, im sure you can find more than 10.

Not really. Cam is 24th on the all-time passer rating list right now. Luck and Cam are very close (I am just too lazy to look it up). Wilson and Kap might have higher career ratings right now, but career passer rating doesn't kick in until you've thrown 1500 passes, so some of these guys have a ways to go before we see a clearer picture. But the metric doesn't even take running into account, where Cam obviously excels.

I predict that within three years after the big boys retire, Cam will be top 10 on a consistent basis.

[FootballMaestro]

I love how people talk about "consistency" and "footwork" in this thread as if they're absolutes, givens.

 

Guess what!? A lot of good, very good and great QB's don't/didn't possess great consistency or Footwork!

 

John Elway, Eli Manning, Brett Farve, Big Ben, Terry Bradshaw, etc., were never consistent passers. However, their teams rode with them through their various ups and downs.

 

Its' a Strawman Argument; unattainable, and the proverbial moving of the goal post if I've ever seen it IMO.

 

Usually big armed QB's will be inconsistent in general, particularly on short throws. And when you take more shots downfield, you're going to miss some/more as well. That's just the nature of the position.

 

So it's as much the QB getting better in general, as his team allowing him the opportunity to ride out up and down patches till they get "hot" again. No QB is perfect. And most will have bad patches or stretches during a game or season. Count on it. So I hope that's not how many of you judge QB's (or is it only Cam)? Every QB every NFL weekend misses throws and receivers (including wide open ones). That's right! I said, everyone!

 

Footwork, can also be a problem with a bad line and a dirty pocket. Preferably you would like to throw from a clean pocket often, with only a few from a dirty one. However, Newton never had that chance much it appears last year. The line was abysmal last year (not helped by Newton's injuries obviously). But guess what? You're going to make throws with poor footwork due to a dirty pocket. I've heard Dan Marino and other QB's talk about this often (saying they like to 'watch a QB who can throw off the backfoot, cause anyone can throw off the front foot in a clean pocket'). So newsflash: Newton will never eliminate those throws completely some of you.

 

Nonetheless, love how certain posters take a year when both Newton and the OL struggled to stay on the field, then declare his following year as his "Make or Break" Stance for 2015, in late/April May at that. SMH

 

Where were they after 2011, 2012, and 2013?

 

So predictable.

[FootballMaestro]

Not really. Cam is 24th on the all-time passer rating list right now. Luck and Cam are very close (I am just too lazy to look it up). Wilson and Kap might have higher career ratings right now, but career passer rating doesn't kick in until you've thrown 1500 passes, so some of these guys have a ways to go before we see a clearer picture. But the metric doesn't even take running into account, where Cam obviously excels.

I predict that within three years after the big boys retire, Cam will be top 10 on a consistent basis.

 

Also Kaep and Wilson played in entirely different offenses than Cam, particularly his first two years.

 

Wilson and Kaep's teams are amongst the lowest passing teams in the NFL, while Newton's Panther threw around 55% of the time his first two years, and often down field. So the passer ratings are more apples to oranges IMO.

 

Just look at how Alex Smith and Kaep had virtually the same Passer Rating, despite Smith's previous bust status, and Kaep being a one read QB currently. It's the offense.

 

 

[Khyber53]

Cam has the big arm, he can run like no one else, he is an incredibly gifted athlete with charisma and he shows both football and real world intelligence. He's pretty much everything you want in a franchise quarterback.

 

Except (and here's where everyone goes completely apesh*t), he is just now figuring out the most important aspect of being a franchise QB: leadership. Up until late in last season, if this team was down, Cam was down as well, head held low, hiding under a towel on the sidelines. After the traffic accident last year, he did seem to change, he seemed to commit to that leadership role, and that is a huge step.

 

He's got to continue with that maturation this year, though. And he has to be able to do what good leaders must do, he has to lift those around him, inspire them to better performances. When things get down, he's got to be the one others can look to and see that the game isn't over yet, that if they dig down they can still win.

 

(Here's where I get crucified again), Jake Delhomme had that ability, and that may have been the only thing that made him a good QB. He led the team back time and time again. In practice, he challenged players to keep giving and working. I think Jeremy even noted how he would always get everyone to run up the hill at the end of the summer practice sessions, even though they were all gassed out by that time. 

 

It seems like such a simple thing and to Madden players and fantasy football fanatics, it's a pointless thing. In the real world of football, where the good teams are so incredibly close on paper, leadership is the difference between a decent team and a team that competes for championships. We've got that on defense now with Luke and TD, but Cam is the face of the franchise ... he's where everyone is going to look when there's a need.

 

I just hope that the guy who led the last four regular season games last year can carry on and become even better as this year goes by. He's good, he's really good, but he needs to rise to greatness.

 

[DatsMyQuarterback]

!!!!!!!

[MedellinHeel]

I love how people talk about "consistency" and "footwork" in this thread as if they're absolutes, givens.

 

Guess what!? A lot of good, very good and great QB's don't/didn't possess great consistency or Footwork!

 

John Elway, Eli Manning, Brett Farve, Big Ben, Terry Bradshaw, etc., were never consistent passers. However, their teams rode with them through their various ups and downs.

 

Its' a Strawman Argument; unattainable, and the proverbial moving of the goal post if I've ever seen it IMO.

 

Usually big armed QB's will be inconsistent in general, particularly on short throws. And when you take more shots downfield, you're going to miss some/more as well. That's just the nature of the position.

 

So it's as much the QB getting better in general, as his team allowing him the opportunity to ride out up and down patches till they get "hot" again. No QB is perfect. And most will have bad patches or stretches during a game or season. Count on it. So I hope that's not how many of you judge QB's (or is it only Cam)? Every QB every NFL weekend misses throws and receivers (including wide open ones). That's right! I said, everyone!

 

Footwork, can also be a problem with a bad line and a dirty pocket. Preferably you would like to throw from a clean pocket often, with only a few from a dirty one. However, Newton never had that chance much it appears last year. The line was abysmal last year (not helped by Newton's injuries obviously). But guess what? You're going to make throws with poor footwork do to a dirty pocket. I've heard Dan Marino and other QB's talk about this often (saying they like to 'watch a QB who can throw off the backfoot, cause anyone can throw off the front foot in a clean pocket'). So newsflash: Newton will never eliminate those throws completely some of you.

 

Nonetheless, love how some posters take a year when both Newton and the OL struggled to stay on the field, then declare his following year as his "Make or Break" Stance for 2015, in late/April May at that. SMH

 

Where were they after 2011, 2012, and 2013?

 

So predictable.

 

Big Ben is almost a pencil in for top 10 QB ranking / rating each year. He is consistent enough. 

[FootballMaestro]

Big Ben is almost a pencil in for top 10 QB ranking / rating each year. He is consistent enough. 

 

Big Ben makes a lot of mistakes.

 

His first few years, Superbowl runs he was a game manager BTW.

 

Ever since, he takes lots of risk (holds to the ball too long, tries to wait for the big play etc.,  and gets in trouble).

 

PS: Until last years injuries, Newton was a pencil in for top 10 QB as well. So what's your point?

 

And I love how you give an insincere,  one sentence response to everything I said above.

 

Gotta luv the Huddle.

 

[Allaine]

Hello Cam? Hey son, this is the GM for (put 19 - 20 teams name here). How would you like to come be our franchise qb son? We know the Carolina fan base would rather have (that list) as their qb. Come on and play for us.

[beastson]

Only thing I want Cam to step it up to is doing his part in leading us to atleast the NFC championship game

[nctarheel0619]

I'm pretty sure the anyone with half a football mind can make some pretty solid Educated guesses that the talent he's had to throw to in his career as a Panther hasn't been "consistent". the Oline rankings show that's not been consistent. 2 OC's on top of that (completely different styles)... yeah, those a major factors.

 

Yes, he needs to work on his footwork. We have all been saying that since he got to the NFL.

 

Even in the past season I saw Game make "better" and "more decisive" reads. And Hell, even the best Qb's make those mistakes. that's a fluid thing with new defensive alignments and match-ups. Part of the game. but, I personally feel he's done pretty well at progressing there in the past 2 seasons.

 

No one is argue'n that Cam doesn't need to do better on things. And if they are, that's just idiotic. But, to think it's solely on his shoulders to carry the team and "elevate his game" to the next level... that's what he has been trying to let go of. He's said it himself. He can't expect to be the guy to always make the play. he has t trust his teammates. Work together as a team and elevate to those standards.

 

It's happening. The Panthers as a team are getting younger, and learning together. young players learning together. working together. staying together for a consistent solid number of years will wield results.

It's been a mixed bag for Cam.

 

He's young. (as his Coaching staff has been as well when it comes to their careers are certain positions. Not to mention the new philosophy from the GM standpoint that's only been in for 2 years, and gave a statement of doubt that Cam would even be that franchise QB) it's a process. And I for one see it progressing.

Here's to the Future. Here's to the whole offense building together upon itself... And here's to a championship in the near future.

 

Since you use the talent to throw to as a reason.  Would you say Russel Wilson is better than him then?  Because Russel had a bunch of undrafted free agents to throw to before he got Jimmy.  

[RJK]

cams a special player. he brings a ton of athleticism to that position, but i don't expect the random high throws to go away. that's just who he is as a QB. if he can get a little smarter on the field that would benefit him greatly

[J.Cage]

Since you use the talent to throw to as a reason.  Would you say Russel Wilson is better than him then?  Because Russel had a bunch of undrafted free agents to throw to before he got Jimmy.  

 

That whole post...and your take away was the talent reference in the first line? Which clearly referred to the consistency...nevermind

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