Cam needs to step up this year

[mcdougal]

Maybe.

 

But Eli actually makes throw down field, with out gimmicks (ala Wilson).

 

Plus, the Seattle defense scored more points than the Seattle offense in that Superbowl. And they scored them all (the defense) before the offense scored their first point.

 

So what in the hell, did Wilson actually do during that Superbowl, when Eli at least played great?

 

Double standards (and still looking for attention) I see?

 

Why are you making poo up?

 

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=340202007

[MedellinHeel]

 

 

I just don't think Eli or Ben are better than Rivers because they have rings....they also play for 2 of the most well run teams in all of sports, same with Flacco.

 

I agree with everything you said, but this last part is a bit iffy. You can not put Eli and Flacco in the same sentence as Big Ben. Ben is far more consistent and has simply played better. 

 

Rivers easily better than Eli and Flacco, but Ben has been a top 10 QB for the past 5+ seasons. That with the superbowls easily put him ahead of Rivers. 

[MedellinHeel]

Eli did more for the Giants during those super bowl years (much more I may add) than Wilson did during his. It's not even close.

 

We can argue, that Eli is asked to do much more, and how the team and players around him sucked the past few years, etc.. However, Wilson's in the perfect system for him. So he won't turn the ball over as much. Two totally different situations. But if you're asking me, who was the better QB during their Superbowl runs, it was easily Eli.

 

No contest.

 

Not talking about who was better during the superbowl runs, we are talking about who is the better player. 

[MHS831]

I read an article that said Cam had more unforced errors than Ryan and Brees combined, so if you are going to attack an opinion's logic, do so with fairness.  Yes, he has been under pressure.  Yes, his WR corps is not strong.  Yes, his OC calls plays that are too conservative and you would have called something different.  I got that.  However, when the WR is open and he has time, he can be inconsistent.   His mechanics--even when not pressured--are not good.   He is a great athlete and can become a great QB, but if you think he is great now, brace yourselves--he is not. 

 

Cam now has his weapons.  He should have a lot better protection.  He should have a better run game behind him , better special teams (field position) and even a better defense.   If he is great and has been brought down by his supporting cast in the past, he no longer has that to deal with.  2015 is what we have been trying to build for Cam, so he now has the tools to win.  Its on Cam now--not the OL, not the WRs, not the OC.  This is Cam's year, and I think he will have a great year.  He will have a summer to prepare (he has missed 2 summers) and he is not injured.  He is mature now, and he seems to get it.  All the pieces are in place. I expect him to take it to a new level, but the process has taken time. 

 

So enough with the excuses on both sides.  Let's support Cam and hope for the best and lets not crown him until he becomes the best.

[FootballMaestro]

Wilson does receive a little unwarranted hate here, most of it is just jealousy. I think he's good though.

 

I just wouldn't rank Wilson quite that high, and I certainly wouldn't try to drag Eli Manning through the mud to make Wilson look better. Because as much crap as Eli has gotten throughout his career, he played his ass off to win those two Super Bowls. I'm not even going to bother debating that.

 

I was telling him the same.

 

I essentially told him, 'It's easy to pick on Eli now. However, Eli did much more for his team during those super bowl years (much more) than Wilson ever did for Seattle during those runs'.

 

I agree with you.

 

It's not even close.

[thefuzz]

I agree with everything you said, but this last part is a bit iffy. You can not put Eli and Flacco in the same sentence as Big Ben. Ben is far more consistent and has simply played better. 

 

Rivers easily better than Eli and Flacco, but Ben has been a top 10 QB for the past 5+ seasons. That with the superbowls easily put him ahead of Rivers. 

 

I can, and I will.

 

 

Everyone see's QB's differently.  Rivers has had better numbers than Ben has had for a very long time now, in fact, I think that last year is the first that Ben has outperformed Rivers in a given season.

 

 

Ben has 2 more years starting, and 1 more TD than Rivers, his QB rating is less, and his INT's are more.  The numbers don't lie, and I'm not going to allow SB's to cloud my judgement when referring to QB's.

 

You can, but I won't.

[TheRed]

Rivers had "prime" LT for 2 years, and if I remember correctly, both times he limped into the playoffs.

 

He does have a "decent" squad around him, but what about keeping some talent, rather than letting it walk out the door?  VJ, Sproles, Tolbert, etc,?

 

No, Rivers isn't playing with scrubs, but not many QB's are.  I can tell you this, I wouldn't trade our skill position guys for any of theirs right now.

 

As to the Championship thing, it just doesn't mean as much to me when talking about how great a player is/was, same for all players.  Not going to slam Manning 1 for only winning 1, same with Favre, not slamming Jim Kelly, or Dan Marino either.

 

I just don't think Eli or Ben are better than Rivers because they have rings....they also play for 2 of the most well run teams in all of sports, same with Flacco.

 

Well you could make the argument that if it weren't for LT, they might not have even been in the playoffs Rivers first couple of seasons. 28 TD's in 2006. Unreal. Even in those last few years with the Chargers when he was winding down, LT still put up 11 touchdowns in 2008 and 12 in 2009.

 

What is funny about the comparison with Eli in here, and about him being a "turnover machine" is that for a long time Rivers had the reputation of blowing games at the end with costly interceptions. I think Rivers is really good, but I don't see a reason to poo on other QB's who actually won a Lombardi Trophy just to make him look better because he hasn't won one.

[FootballMaestro]

Why are you making poo up?

 

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=340202007

 

Please, specify what 'Poo I'm making up' instead of just giving me a random link?

 

Come on little man.

 

Please tell us what Wilson did during that superbowl which I was incorrect on?

[FootballMaestro]

Not talking about who was better during the superbowl runs, we are talking about who is the better player. 

 

That's debatable.

 

Right now Eli's just in a bad situation.

 

You do end up making a lot of turn overs, when you have to make plays, and you don't have play makers or a good run game.

 

I would hate to see Wilson as the QB of a bad team.

[TheRed]

That's debatable.

 

Right now Eli's just in a bad situation.

 

You do end up making a lot of turn overs, when you have to make plays, and you don't have play makers or a good run game.

 

I would hate to see Wilson as the QB of a bad team.

 

If you put Wilson behind the Giants OL the last few years, he might not even finish the season healthy.

 

Eli has struggled some, but he's also been taking a beating.

 

Also. One critical difference here. Eli doesn't have Marshawn Lynch to hand the ball off to.

[FootballMaestro]

If you put Wilson behind the Giants OL the last few years, he might not even finish the season healthy.

 

Eli has struggled some, but he's also been taking a beating.

 

Also. One critical difference here. Eli doesn't have Marshawn Lynch to hand the ball off to.

 

Humongous luxury.

 

One of the reasons that Eli has sucked the last few years (that most folks who don't watch the Giants wouldn't know), was the lack of a run game.

 

When the Giants had that, Manning could play action then throw deep to those receivers.

 

Now, people expect Manning to throw (or it's short and long due to poor run gains), so teams get to tee off on Manning all the time. Not sure Wilson could survive that, especially at his height/size (throwing over the pass rush, and the hits he would take)

 

You're correct. Wilson is a TREMENDOUS luxury to have that most people don't seem to realize.

 

[MedellinHeel]

I can, and I will.

 

 

Everyone see's QB's differently.  Rivers has had better numbers than Ben has had for a very long time now, in fact, I think that last year is the first that Ben has outperformed Rivers in a given season.

 

 

Ben has 2 more years starting, and 1 more TD than Rivers, his QB rating is less, and his INT's are more.  The numbers don't lie, and I'm not going to allow SB's to cloud my judgement when referring to QB's.

 

You can, but I won't.

 

huh?

 

2014 - Ben (3) Rivers (12)

2013 - Ben (9) Rivers (4)

2012 - Ben (7) Rivers (11)

2011 - Ben (10) Rivers (11)

 

The last 4 years Rivers has only had better numbers 1 time. 

[MedellinHeel]

That's debatable.

 

Right now Eli's just in a bad situation.

 

You do end up making a lot of turn overs, when you have to make plays, and you don't have play makers or a good run game.

 

I would hate to see Wilson as the QB of a bad team.

 

Merely specualtion. 

 

Can only go off the numbers. 

 

Not sure there is a Giants fan that wouldnt trade Eli for Wilson in a heartbeat. 

[juliosantos]

I hate negative fans like you. Cam is the best thing that happened to us he took us from being in the same talks as the titans, raiders and bucs to a back to back playoff team. He has never had a oline or a solid wr core but now he does and he will prove you wrong . Cam is not the problem