The Top Tier WRs according to Cosell

[Mother Grabber]

NFL Films' Greg Cosell believes UCF WR Breshad Perriman is in the top tier of wide receivers in this year's draft.

Cosell believes Perriman is in the same tier as Alabama WR Amari Cooper and West Virginia WR Kevin White, and can even "see ranking Perriman even with or ahead of White." Perriman has been shooting up draft boards since running in the low 4.2s at his Pro Day. He could be selected in the first half of Day 1.

[PantherWake]

Agholor is a young Greg Jennings

[jfo89]

What you cited is an overall impression based upon these receivers' targets for the whole year. Furthermore, he looks at tape before the Combine and basically sees if the measurables are reconciled with what he sees on tape. So, actually the measurables are secondary to what he sees on tape.

 

We're getting off topic here. I'm obviously not saying the man does't watch the tape. What i'm saying is he (along with many others in the media) is basing White and Perriman being in the same tier as Amari Cooper off of size/speed and potential, not overall game. As he states, the former 2 are going to need to work on their game to be successful at the next level, whereas Cooper is more ready based on how polished his routes are, knowing the nuances of the game, and his route tree. If you watch White, a lot of what he was asked to do was just be faster than the defense. I actually prefer DGB, Parker and Devin smith to White and a few more over Perriman.

[top dawg]

Does Cosell have a podcast or any videos put there on the web?

Here are some podcasts you may find interesting.

http://mmqb.si.com/tag/2015-nfl-draft/

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/videos/audio/Journey-To-The-Draft-Philosophy-With-Cosell/af5faaef-0b7d-46a1-96bf-4e20ff01bd64

[top dawg]

We're getting off topic here. I'm obviously not saying the man does't watch the tape. What i'm saying is he (along with many others in the media) is basing White and Perriman being in the same tier as Amari Cooper off of size/speed and potential, not overall game. As he states, the former 2 are going to need to work on their game to be successful at the next level, whereas Cooper is more ready based on how polished his routes are, knowing the nuances of the game, and his route tree. If you watch White, a lot of what he was asked to do was just be faster than the defense. I actually prefer DGB, Parker and Devin smith to White and a few more over Perriman.

Whatever. I know what you said, and you know what I said. We'll just agree to disagree.

[top dawg]

To think that size and speed are the only things that Cosell and others are looking at is wrong. Do they take size and speed into consideration? They sure do. It's just that it's secondary to what is seen on actual tape in reference to their practical skills.

Most receivers need lots of help to become polished pros, so why wouldn't you take size and speed into consideration, all things being close or equal. That's where the evaluation is most important, because with most these guys there is a certain amount of projection that you must do to consider if their skills will translate to the pros.

For example, Brandin Cooks was a better route runner than KB who has more upside. But look who had a better rookie year. Cosell is putting these guys in the top tier based upon their draft class, but even he noted that Cooper would still be number 3 behind Watkins and OBJ.

Evaluating players is not an exact science, nor is it easy, but Cosell doesn't talk out of his ass like Charles Davis.

[Squirrel]

Only top tier WR in this draft is Amari Cooper.  The rest are not worth the risk of a first round pick. 

[Fidel Cashflow]

Here are some podcasts you may find interesting.

http://mmqb.si.com/tag/2015-nfl-draft/

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/videos/audio/Journey-To-The-Draft-Philosophy-With-Cosell/af5faaef-0b7d-46a1-96bf-4e20ff01bd64

 

This is great. thank you

[top dawg]

Only top tier WR in this draft is Amari Cooper. The rest are not worth the risk of a first round pick.

KB wasn't either if I remember correctly, right Squirrel?

[t96]

Perhaps, Thomas, but it's still relative.

 

A lot of people think route running is something any WR can be taught. But that sh*t ain't the truth. Athleticism and body control plays a massive part in success as a route runner. Being able to fluidly shift your hips and have smoothness in and out of the breaks is not something every WR can improve on. What they can improve on is where they're running and other little nuances when going up against DBs. That's why I don't like Strong, since I don't think he'll ever improve that much as a route runner because of how he runs (I'll note specifics in my breakdown of Philly, but he is a guy who has a lot of upside and ability when it comes to improving his routes, which is part of why I'm high on him). Honestly haven't looked as much into Perriman but I don't think he's got as much upside as a route runner as other players (Philly's upside as a route runner is better, but obviously that's not the only aspect of a successful WR) which is why I don't like him in the 1st. Agholor and Cooper are by far the two best route runners, and have the most room to improve there to get to an elite level against top NFL DBs. White is very fluid for his size as well so that's why he's up there. I don't think Parker is as much which factors into my rankings (pure on the field standpoint when considering DGB, I wouldn't consider him in the 1st with the off the field stuff): Cooper, White, Agholor, DGB, Parker in order. Those are the only wideouts I think are worthy of a 1st rounder. Perriman is a 2nd rounder in my opinion and I'd be ecstatic to get him there. Strong is a pure 2nd rounder as well to me.

[Squirrel]

KB wasn't either if I remember correctly, right Squirrel?

 

I don't ever remember making that statement.  But my philosophy on first round wr is that the bust factor on them are so high that you don't draft them unless they are sure fire starters.  Cooper is the only one that fits that's. 

[top dawg]

A lot of people think route running is something any WR can be taught. But that sh*t ain't the truth. Athleticism and body control plays a massive part in success as a route runner. Being able to fluidly shift your hips and have smoothness in and out of the breaks is not something every WR can improve on. What they can improve on is where they're running and other little nuances when going up against DBs. That's why I don't like Strong, since I don't think he'll ever improve that much as a route runner because of how he runs (I'll note specifics in my breakdown of Philly, but he is a guy who has a lot of upside and ability when it comes to improving his routes, which is part of why I'm high on him). Honestly haven't looked as much into Perriman but I don't think he's got as much upside as a route runner as other players (Philly's upside as a route runner is better, but obviously that's not the only aspect of a successful WR) which is why I don't like him in the 1st. Agholor and Cooper are by far the two best route runners, and have the most room to improve there to get to an elite level against top NFL DBs. White is very fluid for his size as well so that's why he's up there. I don't think Parker is as much which factors into my rankings (pure on the field standpoint when considering DGB, I wouldn't consider him in the 1st with the off the field stuff): Cooper, White, Agholor, DGB, Parker in order. Those are the only wideouts I think are worthy of a 1st rounder. Perriman is a 2nd rounder in my opinion and I'd be ecstatic to get him there. Strong is a pure 2nd rounder as well to me.

I am not going to go there with you about Brown today. But suffice it to say thay he wasn't drafted for a reason.

As for smoothness and fluidity of the hips, I can make an argument with a straight face that Perriman is better than White with his fluidity and smoothness. Perriman's upside may be greater than any receivers in this draft class. But, like I said earlier, no need to split hairs. All this stuff will sort itself out in the coming years.

[t96]

I am not going to go there with you about Brown today. But suffice it to say thay he wasn't drafted for a reason.

As for smoothness and fluidity of the hips, I can make an argument with a straight face that Perriman is better than White with his fluidity and smoothness. Perriman's upside may be greater than any receivers in this draft class. But, like I said earlier, no need to split hairs. All this stuff will sort itself out in the coming years.

 

Him being not drafted is honestly irrelevant. It's about where he's at now. Brady was a 6th rounder, Romo was undrafted, Cruz was undrafted...

 

Like I said, I haven't watched as much of Perriman as others. I wouldn't necessarily argue with you on that because I don't think White is close to Cooper and Agholor, but neither is Perriman. From what I've seen I'd put him in the 2nd round. I plan on watching more and maybe my opinion will change, but it just seems a lot are high on him (not saying you or Cosell are, but a lot of other "experts" and analysts) because of his 40 time. He has a lot of work to do on technique and reading coverages and that takes time and a lot of hard work. He may have the greatest upside in this draft, but potential isn't always realized, and I don't want to spend a 1st on a guy who may never realize his potential. I don't want him to end up like Stephen Hill (and I am by no means comparing him to Hill based on strengths and weaknesses, but because he's raw and could absolutely end up like Hill). Perriman's more raw than KB was.

[Verge]

I must be missing something with Breshad, every time I watch him on tape I see him taking advantage of soft zone coverage and bad DB placement, but he does not actively get open often in man coverage, and most his catches off of man are once again because of bad DB placement. He for sure is excellent at taking the underneath route and running it up field, and give him credit for that, however, he is going to be overdrafted for size and speed as opposed to actual production. Another thing that concerns me is how he did last season against Missouri, Connecticut, and Penn state last season. In no way shape or form would I even give a thought to putting him above the top three receivers in the draft, and I think you take him on his potential, and even that is a pretty big risk. Can he be dominate? Sure, he absolutely has freakish size and speed, but he is not going to develop into a Dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, AJ Green type of guy.

 

Kevin White > Amari Cooper > Devante Parker > Agholor > Perriman = Strong

 

Just my opinion though.