Greg Hardy suspended 10 games

[CPantherKing]

If the NFL is correct, and Hardy is guilty of physically harming Nicole Holder on 4 occasions, then he should be banned from the NFL. Zero tolerance.

 

If you believe the NC justice system, then you believe there is not enough physical evidence to elevate this to a felony for physical battery on a woman and it is a he said/she said with a lack of evidence to pursue a trial by jury for a misdemeanor without the victim. The state of NC has officially deemed Greg Hardy not guilty of the accused crime. So, there should be no suspension by the NFL on a man who is not guilty of the accusations according to the legal system.

 

So, a 10 game suspension is absolutely ridiculous from both sides of this argument. A suspension of any kind is not 'zero tolerance'.

 

I would love for someone to make the argument that anyone guilty of domestic violence should be allowed to continue to play in the NFL and that it should be tolerated with a harsh suspension.

[top dawg]

He got away with highway robbery and you act like he is being vilified as a murderer or something. In the grand scheme of things this is just football and for you to say he should have just Ray riced that woman shows how much you need to step away from the keyboard and cool the fug down. He embarrassed this organization that night and in the subsequent days from his actions.

 

I didn't say he should have "Ray Riced" Nicole Holder, I said that he may have been better off if he had (from an NFL penalty standpoint, which is what anyone with any sense of reading comprehension should know that we are talking about).  Anyway, for Rice to get two games and Hardy to get 10 games from the NFL, after reviewing all of the legalities of each situation is out of line, and that shouldn't be.  That was the whole point I was making.  So continue to take it out of context and try and assassinate my character all you like, I know what I said, and I know what has been said.  Perhaps others need to step away from the keyboard, look themselves in the mirror and take an ethical accounting of their own value system.

 

Sure Hardy "embarrassed" the organization as you call it.  The Panthers did suffer from a PR standpoint, though arguably very little in comparison to what we suffered on the field because of Hardy's absence while Hardy was getting handsomely paid. Now, to add injury to insult, we must suffer even more, arguably more because of Goodell than Hardy, and lose our comp pick as things stand today. This is the true travesty of the situation: The Panthers obviously suffer the most.  And some of you seemingly don't give a poo about it, making it more about punishing Hardy under nebulous circumstances than getting it right from a legal perspective, much less a moral one (which is still up for debate whether you like it or not).  

[PandaPancake]

You guys need someone Rice'd?

[top dawg]

If the NFL is correct, and Hardy is guilty of physically harming Nicole Holder on 4 occasions, then he should be banned from the NFL. Zero tolerance.

 

If you believe the NC justice system, then you believe there is not enough physical evidence to elevate this to a felony for physical battery on a woman and it is a he said/she said with a lack of evidence to pursue a trial by jury for a misdemeanor without the victim. The state of NC has officially deemed Greg Hardy not guilty of the accused crime. So, there should be no suspension by the NFL on a man who is not guilty of the accusations according to the legal system.

 

So, a 10 game suspension is absolutely ridiculous from both sides of this argument. A suspension of any kind is not 'zero tolerance'.

 

I would love for someone to make the argument that anyone guilty of domestic violence should be allowed to continue to play in the NFL and that it should be tolerated with a harsh suspension.

 

It's hard, man. Some of us believe in grace, second chances and redemption depending upon the circumstances. I don't know that it is right to discount the severity of the offense, and the history of the perpetrator. I think that you must look at things on a case by case basis. Zero tolerance may appear good in theory and on paper, as long as everyone knows the rules beforehand, but there are always going to be situations where it seems like common sense should prevail.

[Sasquatch]

If the NFL is correct, and Hardy is guilty of physically harming Nicole Holder on 4 occasions, then he should be banned from the NFL. 

 

I think you misread or maybe I did. They listed 4 different parts of this single incident. That all occurred in 1 confrontation.

 

All I have to add is 

 

Josh Brent - Intoxication manslaughter felony - 10 game suspension

Greg Hardy - misdemeanor Simple assault charges dropped - 10 games suspension

 

Makes sense to me.

[uncfan888]

This thread probably needs to be locked.. He's not our problem anymore

[csx]

I don't think we are talking about the same thing. You are talking about Greg being guilty (he is), while I'm talking about the hypocritical landscape of the NFL to act like they care about the issue of DV when they immediately try to capitalize and make money off of it (they are).

Yeah, I quoted the wrong post...too many beverages last night.

[nctarheel0619]

This thread probably needs to be locked.. He's not our problem anymore

You need to be locked, and they key needs to be thrown away.  

 

[blackcat]

I would have totally resigned him on the terms that the Cowboy's did. 

 

I wouldn't, but I can see why one would.  To me, Hardy has always been and will continue to be a knucklehead.  He's a great player, but IMO the risks out weigh the rewards. 

 

I think the NFL's 10 game suspension is about more than what Hardy did to that girl.  I think it's also about how Hardy handled himself throughout the process, joking with fans, not cooperating with the NFL, etc.

 

Hardy could be great, but I think he'll get in his own way again and I'm glad it's not going to be as a Panther.

[imminent rogaine]

You guys need someone Rice'd?

 

Rice Up, Son. Rice up.

[Mr. Scot]

I didn't say he should have "Ray Riced" Nicole Holder, I said that he may have been better off if he had (from an NFL penalty standpoint, which is what anyone with any sense of reading comprehension should know that we are talking about).

That's pretty thin, dude. Not to mention wrong, given that Hardy currently has a spot on an NFL roster and Ray Rice doesn't (many believe he never will again).

I've seen enough of your posts to know you're not the kind of person who would support the idea that any woman deserves to get hit. Unfortunately, the things that you're posting in this argument make you sound that way. And I'm not the only one to say that in this thread.

You really do need to take a step back.

[imminent rogaine]

I agree with most of you that Hardy more than likely assaulted Holder in some manner. I understand that there are pics but those pics are not proof that Hardy attacked Holder, they are proof that Holder had injuries. Hardy's link to those injuries is speculation. I think the NFL punishing on speculation is what doesn't quite sit right.

 

The NFL is trying to make a stand which is commendable - even though its just to appease the media- but they are going to start looking silly when they are losing appeals and suits. And, if they start losing suits ($), I think we'll see their practices/stance change again.

[top dawg]

That's pretty thin, dude. Not to mention wrong, given that Hardy currently has a spot on an NFL roster and Ray Rice doesn't (many believe he never will again).

I've seen enough of your posts to know you're not the kind of person who would support the idea that any woman deserves to get hit. Unfortunately, the things that you're posting in this argument make you sound that way. And I'm not the only one to say that in this thread.

You really do need to take a step back.

I already explained that if Rice were still top tier that he would absolutely be on an NFL roster, and you are being naive and absolutely wrong if you don't believe that.

As for this thread and what I've said, I have more than enough support and understanding. The day I begin thinking like Batman and support his stupidity by proxy, and become a self-righteous, hypocrite whose only sense and semblance of fairness shows a deep disrespect for the law, equality and fairness, then I'd be worried.

[Mr. Scot]

I already explained that if Rice were still top tier that he would absolutely be on an NFL roster, and you are being naive and absolutely wrong if you don't believe that.

As for this thread and what I've said, I have more than enough support and understanding. The day I begin thinking like Batman and support his stupidity by proxy, and become a self-righteous, hypocrite whose only sense and semblance of fairness shows a deep disrespect for the law, equality and fairness, then I'd be worried.

Up to you, man. But honestly I think you should at the very least admit that the "he should have gone Ray Rice on her" comment was poorly worded.

You can talk context if you want but there really isn't any context that's gonna make that sound like a good statement.

I don't believe that's your character, but if you wanna stand by that it could very easily give people the wrong impression.