Leaked Batman v Superman Trailer

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

This movie is one of those exceptions though. It's easily gonna clear the billion dollar mark. In most cases, a film that is this chastised by critics and fans would be a Green Lantern or Fantastic Four level of flop but it just keeps going like the energizer bunny. It kinda makes me wonder how much money was left on the table due to the poor scores and reviews.

This film is going to make big money because of the characters that are in it, not because it's any good. It won't make near the money it could have if it had been good.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, scpanther22 said:

I agree with this to a point but my view would be to please the fans..not the comic fans becasue I remember when Nolan was interviewed about comic cannon and how much he looks at it he basically said he doesn't much.

Comic fans can be so fickle and there are so many different stories that the focus should just be on making a good film first.imo

Comic fans are the ones that will go see a movie three, four, five times if they love it.

If they don't, they'll probably still see it once, but not again. And they're the ones that'll be the most vocal about why they didn't like it.

[Cary Kollins]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

This film is going to make big money because of the characters that are in it, not because it's any good. It won't make near the money it could have if it had been good.

 

Agree.

We're talking Batman and Superman, two of the most iconic characters ever. Add to the fact Snyder can create great visuals, which leads to great trailers, which leads to hype and big opening weekends.

Even as big as BvS opening week was, it earned less than Iron Man 3 in it's first week. (not counting global numbers, as BvS uncharacteristically released the same weekend worldwide)

BvS is going to make money, obviously, but like you said I think WB is ultimately going to ask themselves "what could have been?".

The ripple effect of BvS is already being felt in the DC movieverse, as Suicide Squad has been working on major reshoots, to the tune of $10 mill +, to make that movie more "fun"....a quality that was all but absent in the way-too-serious BvS.

 

 

[Cary Kollins]

5 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

And yet, Transformers makes bank every time an installment is released despite the poor reviews and awful aspects of these films (like racism, terrible acting, etc). The characters' popularity can only do so much in the end. I mean, Man of Steel only made 600m after all.

 

I found this article that delves into what makes Transformers such a hit. There are some interesting ideas in here. http://www.polygon.com/2014/6/30/5857506/Transformers-bay-300-million

 

Here's something that reminded me of Snyder:

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At the request of a commenter, I'll unpack that idea, because I agree that it deserves to be better explained. When we watch a movie like Transformers or The Dark Knight, we're also watching how a director and writer view the world. These movies are loaded with philosophical worldviews and political stances, running the spectrum: liberal and conservative, nihilistic and moralistic. But when we go to the movies, many viewers are comfortable ignoring this side of the work. They might even argue it doesn't exist, that it's just flavor

 

I bolded that sentence because I think it speaks to how Snyder views Superman, and I got this thought from piece posted earlier from Birth Movies Death. Snyder follows the Ayn Rand "objectivist" philosophy, which in my very basic understanding means a person should follow only what benefits themselves, to be as selfish as possible, and that will ultimately lead to your best self.

 

[scpanther22]

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Comic fans are the ones that will go see a movie three, four, five times if they love it.

If they don't, they'll probably still see it once, but not again. And they're the ones that'll be the most vocal about why they didn't like it.

All true but how much of the audience do they make up? at the most I would say they're the vocal minority.

[pstall]

It was good not great. This was DCs attempt at thier Avengers. Yes i know Justice League is on paper the Avengers but DC hoped this would be up there.

Personally the film industry saddens me because it's gotten so lazy and will just crank out bubble gum till the end of time.

Of course you have to wear your blockbuster hat and your indie film hat when you go to a theater. 

[SOJA]

I just want someone to make the argument that this movie is in fact WORSE than Baffleck's Daredevil. I dare you. 

 

 

[Doc Holiday]

On 4/1/2016 at 2:18 AM, Mr. Scot said:

With comic book movies, I've always said if you have to choose between pleasing the critics and pleasing the comic fans, choose the fans.

From what I've been reading, it sounds like this movie displeases both.

Not good...

as a fan, it's a purely love/hate relationship with this movie, when people ask me if I liked the movie or hated it so far I've said "I don't know" there are plenty of things I like about the movie, and there is also plenty of things that I don't like as well.

My only real super huge complaint is  Lex Luther's character.  it is probable the worst written/represented character I have ever seen for a comic book to movie adaptation.   Lex has always been one of the most thought out villains in the DC comic UNI, never any action without reason or that has been planned out. And in BvS he came across as a yuppy tech wiz psycho with no plan at all. They literally could have given his character a different name altogether because he shared nothing with the Lex from the comics.

 

[Cary Kollins]

Here's an interesting piece on BvS from WB's perspective.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warner-bros-mulls-releasing-films-881265

"After an abysmal run of expensive underperformers including Jupiter Ascending, Pan and In the Heart of the Sea, the studio launched its effort at a Marvel-style film universe with the DC Comics movie that had been touted as proof the regime installed in 2013 and headed by chairman and CEO Kevin Tsujihara was getting on track. But a dizzying 69 percent plunge that followed its March-record $166.1 million domestic opening ($422.5 million worldwide) means Batman is not a clear win.

Some competitors say the film may turn a profit but hardly will be the money gusher studios hope for when they pour massive resources into making a giant tentpole with a big star — with a budget in this case said to be in excess of $300 million, and Ben Affleck. "The biggest problem," says the head of a rival studio, "is that it is not turning [DC] into Marvel. The audience has communicated, as have the critics." One agent notes BvS likely won't get to $1 billion despite launching the universe with "two of the most iconic characters in history." Pointing out that Jurassic World pulled in $1.67 billion globally, he continues, "you can't tell me Batman v. Superman is so much less valuable."

Several sources say Warner Bros. executives were convinced they had the goods with BvS and were shocked when negative reviews began pouring in. Now, with DC movies dated through 2020, the outcome has led to a flurry of rumors that the studio will make adjustments — maybe add a new producer? — rather than allow BvS director Zack Snyder to proceed with the two-part Justice League. But sources with firsthand knowledge of the situation say the studio has no such plans. One says the filmmakers naturally will evaluate what went wrong with BvS, but when it comes to Justice League, "we're not going to take a movie that's supposed to be one thing and turn it into a copycat of something else."

[CarolinaCoolin]

Deborah Snyder ruined the film and they need to stop Zachs nepotism keep effecting his films

[Jangler]

On 4/3/2016 at 2:06 AM, Doc Holiday said:

as a fan, it's a purely love/hate relationship with this movie, when people ask me if I liked the movie or hated it so far I've said "I don't know" there are plenty of things I like about the movie, and there is also plenty of things that I don't like as well.

My only real super huge complaint is  Lex Luther's character.  it is probable the worst written/represented character I have ever seen for a comic book to movie adaptation.   Lex has always been one of the most thought out villains in the DC comic UNI, never any action without reason or that has been planned out. And in BvS he came across as a yuppy tech wiz psycho with no plan at all. They literally could have given his character a different name altogether because he shared nothing with the Lex from the comics.

 

I haven't seen the movie yet, probably will wait until the DVD release. But I did see MoS, and it seems to me to be miscasting everybody. 

Making Superman a brooding character is the wrong way to go imo. Thats what Batman is for...

and don't get me started on WW. Of course there can be only one Wonder Woman, so no matter who they get to play the part, it will be wrong.

[pantherclaw]

The reasoning for bruce/batman to have such hatred for Superman, was beyond stupid.  

Ben prove one again that he doesn't belong on the silver screen. Worst batman ever, and even worse as bruce wayne. 

Worst nolan movie ever. 

What a way to go.

 

[Cary Kollins]

10 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

The reasoning for bruce/batman to have such hatred for Superman, was beyond stupid.  

Ben prove one again that he doesn't belong on the silver screen. Worst batman ever, and even worse as bruce wayne. 

Worst nolan movie ever. 

What a way to go.

 

 

It wasn't a Nolan movie, Zach Snyder directed it and Nolan had very little if any input.

Your take on Affleck's performance is interesting because his version of Batman/Wayne has largely been viewed as the lone bright spot in an otherwise bad movie.

[dos poptarts]

My take on most all action/superhero/comic films is that the antagonist will make or break the story. The Hero won't be dying (in most cases).

I haven't seen this film yet so I'm going to try to keep an open mind. But if they fugged up Lex's character which is what it sounds like....errrrr. I hated K.Spacey as Lex because camp (G.Hackman) was great in the 70s/80s, but not now.

i.e. Age of Ultron was weak (IMHO) because Ultron was too snarky instead of just vengeful. The "trailer" Ultron (no strings on me) was great, the film version with daddy issues, not so much.

Superman 1 - Hackman's Lex (good and campy, not an issue as this was a family film)

Superman 2 - Terence Stamp as General Zod "nuff said" Note: I miss seeing this Huddle persona, that Jeremy fellow just doesn't meet expectations ;)

Superman 3 - agree or disagree, but drunk and mean Superman was the antagonist. And the fight between Clark and evil Sups is awesome!!!

Superman 4 - this never happened. I refuse to remember Reeves this way.

Superman Returns - This is the not the Lex I wanted. Rosenbaum had a better feel for the Lex character seasons 1-5.

MOS - Didn't care for Shannon's Zod. He was just good, not great.