Seahawks GM hints he'll just let Wilson walk if he doesn't lower his demanded price.

[Snake]

I just wish Cam would set the market.

[TheRed]

Yep...one is a Superbowl winning QB, and the other has 1 season with a winning record.

 

I don't necessarily agree with the post you were responding to with this, but your logic is fairly idiotic.

 

You give Wilson the credit for all the teams success, including a SuperBowl victory where the Broncos were so damn bad that the Seahawks basically just had to step off the plane and not fug up, and it was a blowout victory. Yet you place the losing seasons squarely on Newton's shoulders.

 

Thanks for that laugh MadHatter.

[FootballMaestro]

Wilson is so terrible. Yet our most vaunted defense could not stop in him the second half and allowed him to have a 149 QB rating against us in our playoff game...

 

Yeah, just like EJ Manuel, Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, and so many others who came back against the Panthers defense, even under incredible/dire circumstances.

 

It's nothing new, no matter how good or bad the QB's are.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Wilson gets too much credit for his team's success.

 

Cam doesn't get enough credit for his team's success.

[ctrcat]

I don't necessarily agree with the post you were responding to with this, but your logic is fairly idiotic.

You give Wilson the credit for all the teams success, including a SuperBowl victory where the Broncos were so damn bad that the Seahawks basically just had to step off the plane and not fug up, and it was a blowout victory. Yet you place the losing seasons squarely on Newton's shoulders.

Thanks for that laugh MadHatter.

Say what?! It was WILSON that took Kealoha Pilares over Richard Sherman gosh darnit!!!

[Bartin]

I just wish Cam would set the market.

Given that it sounds like the Wilson taking a team friendly deal talk is BS, I agree. It might be prudent for Gettleman to bite the bullet and pay Cam more than he would like right now rather than wait and have a huge Wilson contract drive Cam's price up even more.

[FootballMaestro]

I think Cam is a much more apt comparison to Delhomme than Wilson. Wilson is more accurate and risk averse than both of them. Cam and Delhomme both lean toward a gunslinger mentality. 

 

Wilson's really not that accurate. It's a misnomer. 

 

He rarely throws into coverage, especially down field.

 

Wilson, also rarely throws to a 2nd or third option after surveying the field. He usually knows exactly who he's throwing to.

 

Wilson, usually makes short passes into open receivers. Or he makes planned loopers to an intended receiver down midfield, as a long pass, then it's called accurate. That's the only long throw he can make. Not really that impressive, and only a little bit better than what RG3 or Kaep does.

[FootballMaestro]

So, why was LaFell's catch percentage higher during his first season with Cam (2011) than with his first year with Brady (2014)?

 

Furthermore....

argument: "Cam doesn't make other players better"

 

counterarguments:

Greg Olsen averaged 32 yards a game in his 4 years with the Bears. Averages just above 50 per game in 4 years with Cam.

Steve Smith 554 yards 2 TDs in 2010. 1394 yards 7 TDs in 2011 with Cam

Ted Ginn 2 receptions, 1 yard in 2012. 36 receptions 556 yards in 2013 with Cam.

Panthers offense dead last in everything in 2010. Top 7 in everything in 2011 with Cam.

 

Bingo/Tilt!!

 

Under Shula, people (especially some of/those so inclined) tend to forget all this.

 

[FootballMaestro]

I think Wilson shows a pretty good arm. 

 

What he does that I've never been able to understand is what SOJA alluded to.  The guy throws some crazy poo up there that looks like it's 50/50 INT or incomplete with  no chance of a completion, yet time and time again it gets completed.  It looks lucky as poo, but it's hard to call it luck when the guy has been doing it dating all the way back to college that I know of but I'm sure even earlier than that.  I just knew that stuff would catch up to him at the NFL level but it hasn't yet.  I don't really count the back breaking SB INT as one of those.  That was a poorly thrown ball, but not the type of crazy throw that I'm talking about.

 

This is the type of stuff I'm talking about:

 

 

Hell, there was a great example of one in the Super Bowl right before the INT.  I was just shaking my head because I thought RW and that lucky horseshoe he has wedged in his ass were gonna pull off insanity again.  Then that horseshoe finally fell out.

 

 

It's the play calling.

 

In the NFL at least. You never know when it's coming (those loopers/jump ball type throws) that get miraculously caught.

 

On another NFL team, it might not work out so well.

[mbarbour21]

Wilson gets too much credit for his team's success.

Cam doesn't get enough credit for his team's success.

This is pretty much all that needs to be said. Wilson is a really good QB. I am not taking anything from him. But let's face it, his overall team/coaches are better.

[LinvilleGorge]

It's the play calling.

 

In the NFL at least. You never know when it's coming (those loopers/jump ball type throws) that get miraculously caught.

 

On another NFL team, it might not work out so well.

 

Play calling?  I don't think you draw up a play where your QB runs around like a mad man while being chased by half the defense and then throws up a wounded duck throwing across his body.  That's a TD going the other direction more often than not.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

the "weapons" comparison gets on my nerves because seattle runs a shanahan style west coast offense in the general sense.  that's a system that leans on a strong rush attack and doesn't need an elite vertical threat to be successful.  a wide receiver who can't read coverages and would struggle with the plethora of option routes in that system would hurt a lot worse than one who can do all those things but isn't a freak athlete.  meanwhile here in charlotte we had mike shula trying to run a coryell type system with byron bell at left tackle and jerricho cotchery and kelvin benjamin split out wide.

 

plus wilson is the absolute undisputed king of horseshit when it comes to 50/50 balls and ducks lobbed into triple coverage so there's that

[FootballMaestro]

Play calling?  I don't think you draw up a play where your QB runs around like a mad man while being chased by half the defense and then throws up a wounded duck throwing across his body.  That's a TD going the other direction more often than not.

 

Oh, ok; you're talking those wounded duck throws. LOL

 

I thought you were talking about the ones that's a set play where he throws down field immediately.

 

In the ones you're discussing, he's buying time. And for some reason, the defense doesn't cover the downfield receiver option adequately.

 

I know what you mean though.

 

[ctrcat]

^ How about a guy that had never played American football in America starting in an attempt to protect Cam's blind side in what was, on paper, the biggest game of the year (home on national TV, TNF, against biggest divisional threat)?

Wilson being the undisputed king of BS is also true. That prayer to Baldwin in the 2013 opener still makes me want to puke.