Seahawks GM hints he'll just let Wilson walk if he doesn't lower his demanded price.

[MV%doe]

Best running game in 4 years. Best defense in 4 years. Best home field advance in the same 4 years. If you where a QB you couldn't ask for a better deal. Just be a game manager and not make make dumb decisions, thats it. you win 70% of the time.

[JawnyBlaze]

If we sign a QB to a 100 million deal, guess what, the QB pretty much has to be the offense. And we've seen that, outside of 2011, a Cam focused offense is below average. Cam has his strengths, but one of his weaknesses is that he just doesn't make players around him better like Rodgers or Brady or Peyton do. You'll never hear from Erick Decker or Julius Thomas again. Greg Jennings stock collapsed after leaving GB. And Brandon "Stone Hands" Lafell had a career year with Brady. Blame Shula or the world all you want, but it's an unfortunate reality about Cam. He can be a great cog of the offense, but he can't be the offense.

 

In 2011, his rookie year no less, he WAS the offense and he made Smitty better than he had been the previous two years.  And we had a top 10 offense.  Cam can be THE offense, but he can't be the offense in a Shula run offense.  No one could.  The offense in a Shula run offense is the defense.

 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

In 2011, his rookie year no less, he WAS the offense and he made Smitty better than he had been the previous two years.  And we had a top 10 offense.  Cam can be THE offense, but he can't be the offense in a Shula run offense.  No one could.  The offense in a Shula run offense is the defense.

 

 

Going to have to disagree there.

 

2011 was a combo of the option finally breaking through into the NFL (with the help of Cam), and many of the old offensive vets from the Fox years having one last hurrah as they benefited from Chud being a mad scientist. It wasn't going to last, and it didn't. Chud's offense in 2012 was decidedly below average, much like Shulas.

[gettlemanjack]

Cam is waiting on Wilson's contract to set the market...

[LinvilleGorge]

If we sign a QB to a 100 million deal, guess what, the QB pretty much has to be the offense. And we've seen that, outside of 2011, a Cam focused offense is below average. Cam has his strengths, but one of his weaknesses is that he just doesn't make players around him better like Rodgers or Brady or Peyton do. You'll never hear from Erick Decker or Julius Thomas again. Greg Jennings stock collapsed after leaving GB. And Brandon "Stone Hands" Lafell had a career year with Brady. Blame Shula or the world all you want, but it's an unfortunate reality about Cam. He can be a great cog of the offense, but he can't be the offense.

 

Let's take a look at that "career year" Lafell had.

 

In 2013 with the Panthers, he caught 49 passes out of 88 targets (55.7% of targets caught) for 627 yards for a 12.8 yard average and 5 TDs (10.2% of catches going for TDs).  In 2013, Cam's passing accuracy was 61.7%, so he suffered about a 10% drop when throwing to LaFell.

 

In 2014 with the Pats, he caught 74 passes out of 119 targets (62% of targets caught) for 953 yards for a 12.9 yard average and 7 TDs (9.5% of catches going for TDs).  In 2014, Brady's passing accuracy was 64.1%, so he also suffered a drop in efficiency when throwing to LaFell albeit not as large of a drop as Cam did.B

 

If he got 119 targets in Carolina's offense his production would've been the following based on his 2013 stats:  66 catches for 848 yards and 7 TDs (6.7 to be exact).

 

Basically, LaFell is the guy he has always been.  He got a small benefit from Brady's increased accuracy, but the bigger benefit from simply being in a more pass heavy offense.  It was probably good for him to get away from Cam's bullets.  He just couldn't handle them.

[JawnyBlaze]

Going to have to disagree there.

 

2011 was a combo of the option finally breaking through into the NFL (with the help of Cam), and many of the old offensive vets from the Fox years having one last hurrah as they benefited from Chud being a mad scientist. It wasn't going to last, and it didn't. Chud's offense in 2012 was decidedly below average, much like Shulas.

 

In 2012 our offense was ranked 12th, 16th in the passing game.  That's slightly above average and exactly average, respectively.  And that was with Chud going full retard on the option stuff.  2011 offense didn't last because Chud changed his strategy, leaning more heavily on the option.  He did a poor job in 2012, but still not as bad as Shula.  And even with Chud's infuriating overuse of the option, we were still slightly over average.  The option didn't make Cam and the 2011 offensive success, Cam made the option succeed until Chud tried to make it all he did.  In 2011 and 2012 Cam was one of the best deep throwers in the game.  That's not option, that's standard QB plays.

 

So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Let's take a look at that "career year" Lafell had.

 

In 2013 with the Panthers, he caught 49 passes out of 88 targets (55.7% of targets caught) for 627 yards for a 12.8 yard average and 5 TDs (10.2% of catches going for TDs).  In 2013, Cam's passing accuracy was 61.7%, so he suffered about a 10% drop when throwing to LaFell.

 

In 2014 with the Pats, he caught 74 passes out of 119 targets (62% of targets caught) for 953 yards for a 12.9 yard average and 7 TDs (9.5% of catches going for TDs).  In 2014, Brady's passing accuracy was 64.1%, so he also suffered a drop in efficiency when throwing to LaFell albeit not as large of a drop as Cam did.B

 

If he got 119 targets in Carolina's offense his production would've been the following based on his 2013 stats:  66 catches for 848 yards and 7 TDs (6.7 to be exact).

 

Basically, LaFell is the guy he has always been.  He got a small benefit from Brady's increased accuracy, but the bigger benefit from simply being in a more pass heavy offense.  It was probably good for him to get away from Cam's bullets.  He just couldn't handle them.

 

Lafell was poo in his first two games in NE. He got much better and put up more consistent numbers after that.

[MHS831]

Wilson is a smart qb, but he would not be considered good if he had to carry a team.  Playing qb when the defense give up 12 points per game means you get the team in field goal range twice and score a TD to win.

 

Look at his Green Bay game.  Look at his Super Bowl.  nothing special. 

 

He is believing the hype.  He literally thinks he is great.  How marvelous.

[LinvilleGorge]

Lafell was poo in his first two games in NE. He got much better and put up more consistent numbers after that.

 

LaFell's stats through the first two weeks in 2013:  4 catches for 13 yards.

 

Try again.

[t96]

Chancellor + Sherman are easily more responsible for Seattle's success than Wilson.  Throw in the fact you could probably pay the two of them plus Lynch for not much more than the cost of a new top 3 QB contract right now and the GM is absolutely right. 

 

Thomas is better than both Chacnellor and Sherman. And Bobby Wagner may even be more important than any of the DBs as well. The unit as a whole is what's so huge. KJ Wright is a beast as well and their front 4 is no 2013 Panthers but they hold their own. And Lynch is that entire offense. If I'm them, I'm not paying Wilson a dime over $18M/year with less than $40M guaranteed. Too risky the way he's built and how he runs, and that he's not the reason for their success. If they give him some massive $20M/year deal fully guaranteed every Seattle fan should puke.

[gettlemanjack]

Fantasy Douche @ FantasyDouche

Apr 8

Marshawn Lynch played 5 seasons without Russell Wilson and

never averaged more than than 4.2 YPC. He's averaged 4.6 since

Wilson was drafted.

[LinvilleGorge]

RW is a good QB with clutch ability.  He's not elite.  He's basically Jake Delhomme with running ability.

[Khaki Lackey]

So is the Seahawks board awash with "SCHNEIDER-DOUCHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!" posts?

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

LaFell's stats through the first two weeks in 2013:  4 catches for 13 yards.

 

Try again.

 

 

your attempts to bring lafells carolina stats up by averaging the pass intended stats is a dumb way to make cam look better. yes, NE throws more than carolina, you aren't factoring that brady is much better at throwing passes through tighter windows than cam, who usually gets a bit skittish if the coverage is tightened up, which results in less targets. then you aren't factoring things like how often he gets subbed in/out. it's completely pointless stat twisting.

 

the catch % is pretty much all you need to know that lafell in NE is better than lafell in CAR. and using the fact that cam doesn't have much touch and just bullets the ball most of the time is a pretty retarded badge of pride imo.