Seahawks GM hints he'll just let Wilson walk if he doesn't lower his demanded price.

[Chimera]

it's funny because you think that's what I was doing.The point I was making was clearly stated and you still missed it. That is the funny part.

The point you made was that if the seahawks used RW as a game manager (therefore, taking the ball out of his hands at crunch time) then they would have two Superb Owls.

But they didn't. And because they have a game manager rather than a game changer, they do not have another Lombardi.

[Chimera]

After the Superb Owl, I looked up the Seahock's record when Russell Wilson needed a touchdown rather than a field goal in crunch time. Before I post the results here, anyone want to take a guess at his TD to Int ratio? (Hint: it isn't pretty)

[heel31ok]

The point you made was that if the seahawks used RW as a game manager (therefore, taking the ball out of his hands at crunch time) then they would have two Superb Owls.

But they didn't. And because they have a game manager rather than a game changer, they do not have another Lombardi.

 

strike 2, LOL!

 

[Snake]

You really think the NFC South is a better division than the NFC West?

Maybe not last year but other than that yes. This year its the Hawks and what??? We at least have to contend with the Falcons offense. Really am I missing something?

[rodeo]

The notion that a guy's performance is "90% luck" is just ridiculous.

 

 

Until you put on tape of some of Wilson's blind stumbling lobs yanked down 1 handed by his receivers.

[PantherWake]

Wilson has to be the luckiest QB in the league but he is still a good QB. Just not great/elite like the media proclaims him to be.

[teeray]

Russell Wilson is good teetering on great. Seahawks will not be a perennial SB team without him

[FootballMaestro]

After the Superb Owl, I looked up the Seahock's record when Russell Wilson needed a touchdown rather than a field goal in crunch time. Before I post the results here, anyone want to take a guess at his TD to Int ratio? (Hint: it isn't pretty)

 

We believe you.

 

He's not their primary offensive option, and within the scheme of their offense, may not even be their most important offensive player (that lies with Marshawn Lynch).

 

Why, cause he's not asked to lead or carry the offense, more so react to it.

 

So when asked to throw the ball (when people expect need him to throw it), that would only make sense.

 

 

[Silent Majority]

Thanks for the trophies now fug off...seems legit.

[Chimera]

We believe you.

 

He's not their primary offensive option, and within the scheme of their offense, may not even be their most important offensive player (that lies with Marshawn Lynch).

 

Why, cause he's not asked to lead or carry the offense, more so react to it.

 

So when asked to throw the ball (when people expect need him to throw it), that would only make sense.

 

This is a billion percent accurate.

 

Still blows my mind that people argue he isn't a game manager.

[FootballMaestro]

This is a billion percent accurate.

 

Still blows my mind that people argue he isn't a game manager.

 

Because some fans don't watch, understand the game or see it's subtle nuances.

 

It's kinda like comparing Cam's first year to RG3's. There were many folks just going off RG3's stats.

 

However, some Carolina fans actually watched the games, and could see Newton was asked to do way more in his offense (while being the one the offense relied responded on), as a primarily pocket QB who could run when needed. The Panthers had no legit run game since Newton's first season, until a few stretches last year with Stewart.

 

Meanwhile, RG3 greatly relied on a gimmick offense, his 1500 yard rookie back, and an assortment of short, quick throws (off one read), so he could get rid of the ball (ala Kaepernick) aiding his success.

 

Now I will admit, Wilson's maybe a bit more skilled than those two as an NFL QB. But not by much. They all have their strengths. The Seatlle GM is not far off. He knows, if you take Lynch off that team, Wilson could not carry that offense, as he's not the best pocket QB in the world, and would get killed or too tired if he had to run often to make yards as a first or secondary option.

 

[Chimera]

Because some fans don't watch, understand the game or see it's subtle nuances.

 

It's kinda like comparing Cam's first year to RG3's. There were many folks just going off RG3's stats.

 

However, some Carolina fans actually watched the games, and could see Newton was asked to do way more in his offense (while being the one the offense relied responded on), as a primarily pocket QB who could run when needed. The Panthers had no legit run game since Newton's first season, until a few stretches last year with Stewart.

 

Meanwhile, RG3 greatly relied on a gimmick offense, his 1500 yard rookie back, and an assortment of short, quick throws (off one read), so he could get rid of the ball (ala Kaepernick) aiding his success.

 

Now I will admit, Wilson's maybe a bit more skilled than those two as an NFL QB. But not by much. They all have their strengths. The Seatlle GM is not far off. He knows, if you take Lynch off that team, Wilson could not carry that offense, as he's not the best pocket QB in the world, and would get killed or too tired if he had to run often to make yards as a first or secondary option.

 

 

I certainly think Wilson is capable of being more than a game manager. His receiving corps gets poo on a lot, but they allow him to improvise. They *always* come back to the ball. Compare their receivers to, say, Cotchery in the divisional game, who sat at the top of his route and allowed Chancellor the pick six.

Wilson puts the ball where his receivers can get to it, so I don't mean to take anything away from him. But with Lynch (and therefore, the play action) not available, his limitations would shine. Improvising and and scrambling can only take you so far.

[MtnJax]

Tough to do it in football.  The QB position in and of itself is so much more important than any other position in the major team sports.

 

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have as many Super Bowls as Peyton Manning

[Jeremy Igo]

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have as many Super Bowls as Peyton Manning

Lol