Curious as to why no Strong pre-draft visit.

[top dawg]

I love Agholor and Hardy, but I wouldn't touch Perriman until the 3rd. Reminds me of Cordarrelle Patterson. He's not a great route runner and doesn't have great hands, just size and speed. All the potential in the world, but I just don't want a guy like that in the 1st. I don't think Agholor makes it to our 2nd rounder. I'd be fine with him in the 1st though, even over Strong. I would want DGB in the 1st but obviously we aren't targeting him. Hardy in the 3rd please sign me up. I'd be fine with Strong in the 1st, but the flaw pointed out in that article hold very true, and that concerns me a bit. If Ricky and DG want him though then I'll be happy.

One reason that Perriman has risen is because he did not drop a catch his last four games, nor at his pro day. He showed marked improvement and potential in that area over the course of the year.

You say that he reminds you of Patterson, but Patterson did not have the collegiate career that Perriman had, and was way more raw. Patterson also allowed way too many passes into his body in college, and just didn't understand any nuances of route running. Again, basically Patterson was way more raw. I think that you're being hard on Perriman because he ran a fast 40.

You aren't giving any value to Greg Cosell comparing Perriman's movements to Julio Jones' (not that Perriman will be Jones).

Perriman's route running is not great, but it's not unlike other receivers coming out of college (e.g. Dorsett, Parker, etc.), so I don't understand why people here keep knocking him for that. He will need to be coached up just like most of them, but he is no where never as raw as CP, and it's mainly on the Huddle where you here this type of ignorance. I haven't seen anyone outside of a message board compare Perriman to CP, and I certainly haven't seen anyone of note make such a comparison.

As for your thoughts on Agholor, I can definitely see that. And, Hardy, a second is not out of the possibility depending if a team gives more weight to his actual work than his Combine measurables.

[top dawg]

just so you know, teams can (and are) skype with potential draft picks and it won't count as an official "meeting" with the prospect.

just because we haven't called him in doesn't mean that we haven't been talking to him.

Already acknowledged. I just kind of doubt with his obvious inability to consistently gain separation that he would be taken seriously without an actual workout.

Of course I could be totally wrong.

[t96]

One reason that Perriman has risen is because he did not drop a catch his last four games, nor at his pro day. He showed marked improvement and potential in that area over the course of the year.

You say that he reminds you of Patterson, but Patterson did not have the collegiate career that Perriman had, and was way more raw. Patterson also allowed way too many passes into his body in college, and just didn't understand any nuances of route running. Again, basically Patterson was way more raw. I think that you're being hard on Perriman because he ran a fast 40.

You aren't giving any value to Greg Cosell comparing Perriman's movements to Julio Jones' (not that Perriman will be Jones).

Perriman's route running is not great, but it's not unlike other receivers coming out of college (e.g. Dorsett, Parker, etc.), so I don't understand why people here keep knocking him for that. He will need to be coached up just like most of them, but he is no where never as raw as CP, and it's mainly on the Huddle where you here this type of ignorance. I haven't seen anyone outside of a message board compare Perriman to CP, and I certainly haven't seen anyone of note make such a comparison.

As for your thoughts on Agholor, I can definitely see that. And, Hardy, a second is not out of the possibility depending if a team gives more weight to his actual work than his Combine measurables.

 

I didn't see the comparison to Jones, but from what I've seen, his route running is really bad. He gets separation because of his speed, not by beating the other guy. That won't always cut it in the NFL, and it's his poor route running that reminds me of Patterson. He may not be as raw as Patterson, but there are similarities that I've noticed. Didn't know he didn't drop any in his last 4 or pro day, so that's an improvement, but he was still wildly inconsistent before that. And KB came in with drop issues throughout college, had literally almost no drops all throughout camp and then came in to nearly lead the league in drops this year. It just worries me. I think we need a 100% sure handed WR, not another guy who'll be wide open for a big TD and drops the pass. I'll look into him more but I just still don't see it in the 1st. And I think Jeremy said the Panthers don't have a 1st round grade on him.

 

I love Hardy and would be fine with him in the 2nd, but I do think his size and speed will limit his upside to the point that taking him in the 2nd would be a reach. I could honestly see him falling all the way to our 4th, but would want us to use our 3rd to make sure we could get him. I feel we may be higher on him than other teams.

[top dawg]

And I think Jeremy said the Panthers don't have a 1st round grade on him.

You may be right about Mr. Igo, but I find it kind of odd that the Panthers would have a definitive grade on Perriman since he isn't scheduled to visit until next week.

By the way, on an off note, the more apt comparison to Cordarelle Patterson in this year's draft is Ty Montgomery.

[TheWiz]

probably because he sucks???

[t96]

By the way, on an off note, the more apt comparison to Cordarelle Patterson in this year's draft is Ty Montgomery.

 

Happen to not like him either, lol. There's really not much that pisses me off more than guys who have outrageous potential that don't ever realize it. Investing a 1st in a guy like that would kill me. But, like I said, I trust DG and Ricky so if they sign off on it, I'm all for it. 

[IamSoClutch]

Cool story, but he's right.

He's not. The article posted on Strong is proof of that

[Kakarot]

Earlier I was high on Strong, but I'm leaning on siding with the do not want camp. The whole "unable to get separation" thing scares the crap out of me. We've already dealt with 2 much of that.

I've always been high on Perriman, and hopes he drops to us. And if he drops, I hope we take a chance on him

[C47]

He's not. The article posted on Strong is proof of that

 

What about Strong makes a can't miss prospect? I'll wait....

[DeeJay]

Doesn't matter super bowl

[Jeremy Igo]

The Panthers being interested in Strong at 25 isn't my opinion.

[top dawg]

The Panthers being interested in Strong at 25 isn't my opinion.

Well what is it then, a fact? It has got to be one or the other since you listed Strong here:

As the NFL Draft is one month away, I thought I would lay out for you who I believe are the Carolina Panthers top targets are in round 1. I've crunched the numbers, looked at the fit, checked the visitations, and listened to the whispers.

So without further ado....

Carolina Panthers Round 1 Possibilities

Andrus Peat - OT - Stanford

A NFL ready tackle that stands 6'7 and weighs 315 pounds. Have you heard the Panthers are in need of an offensive tackle? Yeah? Well, this could be the guy. It is somewhat doubtful that Peat lasts until pick 25, but it is possible. If he is there, he is the pick.

Todd Gurley - RB - Georgia

Aside from the injury, there isn't much not to love about this kid. The future of Jonathan Stewart is less than certain for next season. Gurley is one of the more talented runners to come out of the draft in years. If he should fall to 25, Gettleman would have a tough time not selecting him. Huge value at 25.

Landon Collins - S - Alabama

Had a nice meeting with the Panthers a while back. He is a prototypical Ron Rivera strong safety, that is to say he is aggressive against the run. Many will tell you he can't cover, but don't listen to them. You aren't rated the #1 safety in the draft if you cannot play in the defensive backfield. Could replace Roman Harper on day 1.

Jaelen Strong - WR - Arizona St

As stated in my current receiver depth chart, the Panthers are without a solid #2 receiver to compliment Kelvin Benjamin. Well, Jaelen Strong could be the ideal guy at pick 25 to fill that need. Not the fastest receiver in the draft, but makes up for it in routes, hands, work ethic, and instincts. Gettleman prefers these types of players as seen in previous drafts. (insert "the game is not played in underwear" audio clip)

Cedric Ogbuehi - OT - Texas A&M

An offensive tackle with a torn ACL in round 1? Yes, it could happen. If none of the above prospects are available in round 1, I feel the Panthers are interested enough in Ogbuehi to select him. If not for the ACL injury, Cedric is easily a top 10 pick. Like Gurley, it would be hard for Gettleman to pass up this kind of value. Remember, Gettleman is a 5 year plan guy. Selecting a player that may not play his rookie year is very possible.

So there you have it, five guys I feel have a good shot at being selected in round 1 by the Panthers.

I mean, perhaps I have a misunderstanding. Was this "Panthers top five..." just all your opinion?

[Jeremy Igo]

It's what I have been told.

[top dawg]

OK, then, hence the curiosity as to why there hasn't been a visit in light of the Panthers' draft history.

You have made other comments regarding Strong other than that. Not to mention the suspect disdain for Perriman.