Panthers met extensively with 6-4/336-pound DT Eddie Goldman

[PanthersUnited]

Its not just my opinion, most NFL insiders say there is a huge drop of talent after the top 10-12 and I tend to agree. Overall a bleh draft class

[Ace_Aladdin]

On running downs put Star and Goldman at DT and KK at DE.

 

I would take him only in the 2nd, long as we draft OT/ WR in the 1st

[gettlemanjack]

Rob Staton, Seahawksdraftblog.com:

"I’ve spent a bit of time over the last week or so studying..Goldman...Eddie Goldman is different. You put on the tape and consistently his number jumps off the screen. ... He’s pretty close to the complete interior defensive lineman. ... There just aren’t that many players who can line up in any down/distance and work the run and pass as well as Goldman. Effective interior pass rushers are like gold dust. Any chance you get to bring in a pocket-collapsing dynamo who makes life easier for the edge rushers should be taken. ... he’s into the backfield with an initial quick step and the athleticism to catch a linemen off guard. ... He’s also a terrific run defender. Goldman has no trouble plugging holes and remaining stout to shut down lanes. His speed off the snap works equally well here — having watched the Louisville and Clemson games again today he was forcing running backs to bounce outside with immediate penetration into the backfield."

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/malcom-brown-eddie-goldman-should-be-first-rounders

[PanthersUnited]

Rob Staton, Seahawksdraftblog.com:

"I’ve spent a bit of time over the last week or so studying..Goldman...Eddie Goldman is different. You put on the tape and consistently his number jumps off the screen. ... He’s pretty close to the complete interior defensive lineman. ... There just aren’t that many players who can line up in any down/distance and work the run and pass as well as Goldman. Effective interior pass rushers are like gold dust. Any chance you get to bring in a pocket-collapsing dynamo who makes life easier for the edge rushers should be taken. ... he’s into the backfield with an initial quick step and the athleticism to catch a linemen off guard. ... He’s also a terrific run defender. Goldman has no trouble plugging holes and remaining stout to shut down lanes. His speed off the snap works equally well here — having watched the Louisville and Clemson games again today he was forcing running backs to bounce outside with immediate penetration into the backfield."

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/malcom-brown-eddie-goldman-should-be-first-rounders

He would be worth drafting just to screw the Seahawks and prevent them from taking him.

[PanthersUnited]

Rob Staton, Seahawksdraftblog.com:

"I’ve spent a bit of time over the last week or so studying..Goldman...Eddie Goldman is different. You put on the tape and consistently his number jumps off the screen. ... He’s pretty close to the complete interior defensive lineman. ... There just aren’t that many players who can line up in any down/distance and work the run and pass as well as Goldman. Effective interior pass rushers are like gold dust. Any chance you get to bring in a pocket-collapsing dynamo who makes life easier for the edge rushers should be taken. ... he’s into the backfield with an initial quick step and the athleticism to catch a linemen off guard. ... He’s also a terrific run defender. Goldman has no trouble plugging holes and remaining stout to shut down lanes. His speed off the snap works equally well here — having watched the Louisville and Clemson games again today he was forcing running backs to bounce outside with immediate penetration into the backfield."

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/malcom-brown-eddie-goldman-should-be-first-rounders

So in other words he is Star with pass rushing abilities. If that's the case then I'm on board!

[Captain Morgan]

by the time of our 2nd round pick. we won't find any playmakers for the D Line, but we can still

find RBs and WRs.

 

If he drops to us, seems like a no brainer.

[ctrcat]

He would be worth drafting just to screw the Seahawks and prevent them from taking him.

Seahawks don't have a first. They do have 11 overall picks with the first being @63. They'd about have to trade them all to get Goldman. They're also desperate for WR too so it's safe to say we will get a player they covet regardless just like we did last year with KB.

[General_Purr]

I would not be mad. People say this is a weak draft but I see great steals all thru..

 

K Short, Star, Eddie for the next 10 years stuffing the middle would be sick. The vets cole and dwan will probably hang it up after this year.

[AceBoogie]

That would make 4/5 of Gettleman's first and second round picks all spent on the defensive line. The same defensive line that ranked no better against the run last year than it did two years ago.

[AceBoogie]

Part of me would hate that we wouldn't be going offense, but I can still see the logic in this pick. Like gettlemanjack mentioned, depth is very important for a well-functioning D-line. At first glance you would think that Goldman wouldn't get enough playing time, but that is not the case. Having 3-4 good DT's is a very good investment, which keeps your talent fresh on the field. Splitting Star, Short, Goldman, and Dwan 50/50 alone would give opposing offensive lines ZERO breathers.

It'd be like trying to pitch against the '96 New York Yankees. Who are you going to pitch around?

I'm all fine with depth. But we need STARTERS on offense

[gettlemanjack]

Well it did win him two super bowls.

Point was the Giants defensive line was dominant.

not always. In 2002, when Gettleman was in his 4th year as Pro Personnel Director for the Giants, the Giants had weak depth on the DL, and it cost them one of the most devastating losses in playoff history and one of the biggest debacles in Giants history

from a 2005 discussion on Football Outsiders:

Comment #36 by Jim A

One question about the D-Line I've never seen answered satisfactorily is why D-Linemen seem to be rotated more frequently than other position groups. Are there more specialization "platoon-type" advantages related to techiques to be gained on the D-Line? Is there not as much drop off in ability from starter to backup at the D-Line positions?

Comment #38 by Mike T

Jim, ... Defensive linemen have to run more than offensive linemen and often take more of a pounding (they are double teamed, etc.) ... a big defensive tackle who is winded won't run the play properly ...

Comment #44 by Charles

... this has a lot to do with wearing down teams in the 2nd half of games ... An example of a team not rotating defensive lineman and it coming back to haunt them would be the 2002 giants who blew the 24 point lead to the 49ers in the playoffs. The giants front four had no energy to chase garcia once the niners went no huddle and combined with fassel going conservative the lead was made up in no time. I remember afterwards fassel and strahan both saying that the defense was dead tired.

Comment #49 by Sean D

Every team that has depth will rotate their D-lineman .... The example of the 2002 Giants given before was an example of a team without depth on their line. I've never seen a team go into a season with 4 (or 3) guys on the D-line and go with a strategy of playing them the whole game. ...

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/strategy-minicamps/2005/defensive-line-basics-mind-gap

[KendrickPanther]

I could see it as a value pick in the 2nd like Ealy. Cannot see it in the first. 

[Mistuh Jones]

I would shake my head at first but that rotation means no one would get gassed... I think Jernigan was a way better prospect. Goldman never took over a game like Jernigan did.

[unicar15]

BPA...