Cosell on top WRs in draft via MMQB

[Nick_81]

Pretty much

 

 

 

The Panthers are a ball control offense that is predicated on running the ball. I don't know why a number of people think the Panthers are going to be some quick strike offense that is aggressively throwing it down the field like the Cardinals do.

Probably because we run a Coryell offense.  To do that effectively, you need a receiver, or two, who can reliably get behind the defense.  It's not so much to aggressively throw down the field, but it's a huge part of the system.

[Moorgan]

From what I'm analyzing with G-Man's signings and draft selections, we're building a high possession offense that wears down opposing defenses. He's looking to amass an offense that moves the chains. Not quick strikes. It's kinda like bully fighting with body shots. Of course, that doesn't mean we're not gonna draft a speed demon but judging from G-Man's "big men help you compete" philosophy it seems like Strong is a logical choice for our scheme.

That's interesting. A truly ball possession offense loaded with Red Zone threats. Run the ball well. Possession receivers moving chains. Then when you get into the red zone you have a higher chance of success with large possession receivers and pass catching TEs. Additionally, the defense is fresh and is let loose. And Special Teams improve our field position and pin the opposition.

 

We would still have "somewhat" of a deep strike threat with Ginn running a go route but the opposing D couldn't double both receivers, the TE and put 8 in the box to stop the run. Olsen and a WR have to have single coverage if they put 8 in the box and double a WR. Don't put 8 in the box? Run throw to the 1 single covered WR.

 

It's a different approach that I've noticed. I like it. It could work if the Oline is effective and we get that WR#2 in the draft. Call it the Slow Burn Offense.

[Byrdman4real]

If Strong is there at 25 and the other three top WRs is gone, he should be the pick period. Might trade to move up in the 2nd for Gurley.

[Moorgan]

Probably because we run a Coryell offense.  To do that effectively, you need a receiver, or two, who can reliably get behind the defense.  It's not so much to aggressively throw down the field, but it's a huge part of the system.

Well to be fair, from what I've read of the Coryell, it's really about as balanced as you can get. I think he had a quote that you have to be able to do anything so that you can take advantage of whatever the D can't do well. That does imply that you have to have a deep threat. Maybe Ginn (or potentially Hill but let's just leave it at Ginn for the moment) can be that threat this year. But certainly is not a long term solution in anyone's mind.

[ncfan]

Really want Greene in the 3rd.

[Mol3m4n]

KB + Strong = Fitzgerald + Boldin.

Neither of them were particularly fast or anything. Obviously KB and Fitz are two very different receivers but they bring similar type of impact on an offense. I see a bit of Boldin in Strong. I think he'd be a great fit on the team. We don't need a Dorsett who just runs fast in a straight line for hail marys and post routes. We have Ginn for that (Ginn is Dorsett's ceiling, imo) as well as Brown who has proven to have the ability to be more than just that.

Not a big fan of that comparison.

[Nick_81]

Well to be fair, from what I've read of the Coryell, it's really about as balanced as you can get. I think he had a quote that you have to be able to do anything so that you can take advantage of whatever the D can't do well. That does imply that you have to have a deep threat. Maybe Ginn (or potentially Hill but let's just leave it at Ginn for the moment) can be that threat this year. But certainly is not a long term solution in anyone's mind.

Yes, it is pretty balanced, and uses the run to set up the pass.  That is why I was saying that it's not so much that we need speed to aggressively throw down field.  We need it because it's very important to the system.  It's not a WCO style that depends on short routes and YAC receivers.  You pound the ball and take long shots down the field when the defense tightens up, or vice-versa.  That's the very watered down gist of it.  You need at least one guy that can get over the top.  You could see it all season last year, but we didn't have the receivers to make it work.  Cotch/Avant aren't getting over the top of anything, lol.

[DaCityKats]

One thing I notcied with strong that consell said was the exta steps in his routes and running wild routes. Tighten up his routes, stems, and releases will showcase more of that 4.4 speed he showed at the combine.

That's is something that can be taught, especially by a coach such as ricky, who seems to teach the little things as a WR coach. Strong 2013 tape does show more vertical routes, and 4.4 speed compared to the 2014 year.

[DaCityKats]

You can be a ball control offense, but you must have the ability to get vertical up the field. Many teams would take away the run with bringing 8-9 in the box.

The cbs would also sit on their heels because they had no fear of WRs running past them. DBs would literally squat on curls, hitches, and comebacks because no one was on the field that could run a deep route.

[top dawg]

Strong is a similar receiver to KB and Boykin, who I predict will make the squad and serve as our WR3/4.

We need speed. Gettleman has said as much, and I don't believe that he is stopping at Ginn as our sole over-the-top receiver.

I guess we'll see in 4 weeks.

[magnus]

couple of you people still hung up on "#2 receiver, #3 receiver" can listen around 41:30

 

 

 

I don't fully know if I think Strong is only a big slot WR, like Colston is, but Cosell has reason to be concerned with routes.  Yes another large body is fine, and in this O, if you show some deep speed but can box out, you have the Bang-8 to hurt poeple with.   But, this one's tremendously raw, and Colston was pretty refined.  I don't know if he has the savvy to hurt guys drifting between zones that way. 

[Delhommey]

Actually, route running is not a strong point for any of these guys that Cosell discussed except for Cooper according to him.

But, Cosell said that the large majority of receivers that come into the league have to improve that skill.

From my research, Agholor and Hardy run pretty good routes as well.

Gettleman's post draft take last year that the only receiver that knew how to run routes was Beckham Jr sticks with me.

Dave's got a good eye

[SOJA]

The more I learn, the more I want Strong in the first. 

[panthers55]

THose that want DGB because of his size and strength need to look at the other side.  Sure he has a ton of off the field issues which alone would give me plenty of concerns but what stands out for me is the concerns about effort and desire.  You can teach fundamentals but you cant teach heart.  That has to come from within and from all I have read is a big concern.  He reminds me of a Justin Blackmon type guy.  Tons of potential who just isnt mature enough to make it in the NFL.