Why drafting a RB or defense won't solve our issues.

[@bonafidebanter]

Apparently they (the GM, coaches, and/or scouts) had Kugbila rated higher then Bakhtiari.

 

You can find instances like this for any GM in the league.

 

Did he miss on this one?  Seems like it.  GMs miss all the time.  In reality they miss more then they hit. 

 

Judging a GM on a single pick or even a single draft is a bit unrealistic.  I look at drafting like hitting in MLB.  The good ones fail 65% of the time.  The bad ones fail 75% of the time.

 

DG could do terrible this draft and his 3 year average would probably be comparable to most of the league.

 

If "they" had Kugbila rated higher than Bakhtiari, then that tells you a lot doesn't it? What it tells me is that you need an OT, terribly, but you have an OG rated higher than the OT. Yet, you STILL haven't drafted an OT, EVER, in your history with a team that needed OTs two or three years before Gettleman even got here. But, go ahead and keep on ignoring the OBVIOUS needs and see where that gets you. The cast offs and UDFAs will do you just fine. The first year Gettleman came to Carolina they played his old team and whipped up on the Giants to the tune of 38-0. Do you remember how that O-Line looked for Eli? I'm just hoping the same doesn't happen here. #staywoke

[GoobyPls]

I have to disagree. The saints had a good passing game yes but they ran the ball well and almost every year they have 3 running backs that can get the job done. The Giants had a decent run game as well and relied a lot on their front four. Steelers had a nice duo of running backs when they won the Super Bowl in the mid 2000s and had a great defense both Super Bowl wins in the 2000s. Just about every team that ha won a super bowl lately has been able to run the football, at least in the playoffs.

 

Saints have more passing yards since Brees arrived in NO than any other team in the NFL, I already mentioned the Giants were balanced in their attack even though they seem to open up the passing game more in the playoffs, BTW the giants had a terrible defense there last SB.

 

Fact is passing teams usually have more success than running teams, go look up the top offense almost all are pass first.

[micnificent28]

Have to simi agree with op. Its not as simple as he. Stated it but i see where you are coming from.

[GoobyPls]

Didn't the Patriots win the Super Bowl because of a stellar defensive play from a nobody?

 

Don't get me wrong going after big name FA like Revis and Browner did put them over the top. But the passing game was and always been the root of their success the last 9 seasons.

[GoobyPls]

If a rb averages positive yardage the passing game then opens up but its the timing of the two. You cant run on 1st and 2nd down everytime you touch the ball hope for the first and come up shy and throw on third and whatever. You have to alternate between the first two downs to keep the d guessing and both will eventually open up each other. Shula can be predictable when he gets repetitive. So a rb could be equally as game changing as the other positions of need. Though you cant do either without a good line.

 

Why can't we use the passing game to open up the running game?

 

without another legit receiver teams can just stack the box and force us to pass.

 

[Woodie]

If "they" had Kugbila rated higher than Bakhtiari, then that tells you a lot doesn't it? What it tells me is that you need an OT, terribly, but you have an OG rated higher than the OT. Yet, you STILL haven't drafted an OT, EVER, in your history with a team that needed OTs two or three years before Gettleman even got here. But, go ahead and keep on ignoring the OBVIOUS needs and see where that gets you. The cast offs and UDFAs will do you just fine. The first year Gettleman came to Carolina they played his old team and whipped up on the Giants to the tune of 38-0. Do you remember how that O-Line looked for Eli? I'm just hoping the same doesn't happen here. #staywoke

 

How do you know how good Kugbila is/could have been?  You haven't seen him practice, much less play as a Panther.  He's ben injured pretty much the whole time he's been here.  That's more about bad luck, and something that was impossible for anyone to foresee when he was drafted.  Him failing here (so far) has nothing to do with being a busted pick, just an unfortunate one.  And while you most likely hadn't of him before the draft (99.99999999% of fans here didn't either), after he was drafted I did quite a bit of reading on him, and the general sense is that teams were higher on him than the media experts.  I saw a couple of places that said multiple teams expected him to go in the 4th round range...which is exactly where we took him.

 

To be clear, I'm not arguing for him, I knew nothing about him before the pick, and still only have little knowledge about him as a player.  I'm just pointing out that just because the Mel Kiper's of the world didn't have anything on him doesn't mean he didn't have the potential to be solid or that actual team scouts didn't have him on their radar.  

[Nick_81]

How did values line up when Gettleman drafted G Edmund Kugbila  with pick #108 in the 3rd round? With the VERY NEXT pick, Green Bay selected OT David Bakhtiari? You say David who? This kid went on to start EVERY game his rookie year because Brian Bulaga went down with an ACL in the preseason. Hell, when Bulaga came back, they kept Bakhtiari on the left side and moved Bulaga to the right. Bakhtiari is the first rookie to start EVERY game in a Green Bay since 1978. I know hindsight is 20/20, but Big Dave gets paid to do this, right? Looks like he missed bad on this one. Maybe he can redeem himself this year before it's too late. #staywoke

So.... the guy we drafted got injured, and that means Gettleman missed?  Got it.

[FootballMaestro]

That's just a flat out lie, go find me a top 100 board from 2011 no one had Cam as there number 1 ranked player

 

Let me not even bring up what most panthers fans thought about Cam at the time, cause everyone is going to come out looking like Hypocrites

 

This has been discussed ad nauseum here.

 

Don't go by silly TV guys and so called draft analyst well before the draft.

 

NFL people had Cam as clearly the best player. As a matter of fact, as the draft drew near he was the consensus #1. And even the folks who didn't have Cam as the best player, clearly stated he had best player talent if it wasn't for their concerns (which were mostly untrue and unfounded).

 

Remember, the NFL Scouting service, did the same background checks the Panthers did, and Cam came out smelling like roses, despite what the media was implying and telling us at the time. Th

 

Those folks were right.

[mcdougal]

"Our offense and Newton sucks. We cannot keep up with Aaron Rodgers and score more than 10 points on the Seahawks."

 

- Huddlers in October

 

"Newton needs to score more than 28 points this week against the Bears. We cannot have our defense on the field for 48 minutes because he is off the field going 3 and out."

 

-Huddlers in December

 

"Looking for the Offense and Newton to finally win us this playoff a game. They have done nothing since week 4, and has been carried by Luke and the defense the entire year!"

 

-Huddlers in January

 

"Our offense once again played like crap and we could not score on the 49ers in the second half. Now we are going home. We have GOT to upgrade this offense because they are not explosive and our passing game is one of the worst in the league this season."

 

-Huddlers immediately following our playoff lost

 

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"Are you kidding me!?!? No way we should be focusing on our offense this offseason. They will be fine. We need to help our offense out by selecting a stud defensive line man. In this league you win with defense!"

 

-Same Huddlers in March

 

"Newton and the offense have more than enough to work with. He just has to figure out a way to throw on the No. 1 defense with a rookie WR as his most prominent WR."

 

-Same Huddlers in May

 

"We did nothing to upgrade our offense but I expect BIG things from Newton this season. I say anything short of 4,800 yards, 38 tds, and 8 ints should be considered a failure for Newton this season. I expect stats that will place him and the offense in the top 5. NEWTON HAS GOT TO STEP UP!!!!!"

 

-Same Huddlers in August

 

 

 

Repeat.

[*FreeFua*]

"Our offense and Newton sucks. We cannot keep up with Aaron Rodgers and score more than 10 points on the Seahawks."

- Huddlers in October

"Newton needs to score more than 28 points this week against the Bears. We cannot have our defense on the field for 48 minutes because he is off the field going 3 and out."

-Huddlers in December

"Looking for the Offense and Newton to finally win us this playoff a game. They have done nothing since week 4, and has been carried by Luke and the defense the entire year!"

-Huddlers in January

"Our offense once again played like crap and we could not score on the 49ers in the second half. Now we are going home. We have GOT to upgrade this offense because they are not explosive and our passing game is one of the worst in the league this season."

-Huddlers immediately following our playoff lost

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"Are you kidding me!?!? No way we should be focusing on our offense this offseason. They will be fine. We need to help our offense out by selecting a stud defensive line man. In this league you win with defense!"

-Same Huddlers in March

"Newton and the offense have more than enough to work with. He just has to figure out a way to throw on the No. 1 defense with a rookie WR as his most prominent WR."

-Same Huddlers in May

"We did nothing to upgrade our offense but I expect BIG things from Newton this season. I say anything short of 4,800 yards, 38 tds, and 8 ints should be considered a failure for Newton this season. I expect stats that will place him and the offense in the top 5. NEWTON HAS GOT TO STEP UP!!!!!"

-Same Huddlers in August

Repeat.

This is awesome, because it's true

[GoobyPls]

This has been discussed ad nauseum here.

Don't go by silly TV guys and so called draft analyst well before the draft.

NFL people had Cam as clearly the best player. As a matter of fact, as the draft drew near he was the consensus #1. And even the folks who didn't have Cam as the best player, clearly stated he had best player talent if it wasn't for their concerns (which were mostly untrue and unfounded).

Remember, the NFL Scouting service, did the same background checks the Panthers did, and Cam came out smelling like roses, despite what the media was implying and telling us at the time. Th

Those folks were right.

Let me ask you, do you really think we drafted Cam because we was the BPA or because our biggest need was QB?

Is it that hard to admit we drafted for need?

[FootballMaestro]

Let me ask you, do you really think we drafted Cam because we was the BPA or because our biggest need was QB?

Is it that hard to admit we drafted for need?

 

I have a question for you: Do you really the Panthers would have drafted Newton #1 after drafting Clausen the year before, and that debacle he became, if they didn't believe in him or though he could be a Franchise QB???

 

I think you're letting your personal feelings be revealed here?

 

Nonetheless, to answer your question: No! Not at all.

 

If you ever read the Panthers/Ron Rivera's accounts on Cam, they did tremendous research on him.

 

They interviewed everyone from his high school players and coaches, through Juco, Florida, Auburn, and even the coaches children and wives. They also spoke with his Auburn teachers and classmates, along with the children's Center staff Cam regularly spoke at. They even investigated, and addressed his alleged father shake down attempt and asked Cam about it (along with observing Cam with his family and brother), and were very pleased with what they observed and/his their answers. They also realized, his oft criticized father, instilled a hard work ethic and competitiveness in Newton.

 

In addition to the various work ethic and character evaluations, the Panthers broke down the film of Cam's throws (along with speaking to Malzahn) and realized that he was pocket passer ready (staying in it), and most of his runs were called runs.

 

We can criticize the Panthers for many things in the past. However, the Panthers did their research, and Cam answered every question in glowing terms. Maybe you weren't aware of all this. Again, after the Clausen debacle, the Panthers had to get it right, especially with the first pick. They couldn't mess this/that one up.

 

So yes/absolutely, I think they drafted Newton because they thought he was the best player, or at least would be/become a great QB and leader for the team. Rivera (a defensive coach mind you), sounded very excited.

 

There's no doubt!

 

Now, ask me how does Shula and Rivera fit into Cam's production (especially when unhealthy, and with out the defense playing stellar), that's another story. LOL

[frash.exe]

If you don't see how a prospect like Gurley couldn't help this offense make plays then I don't know what to tell you.

I'd rather draft a 2nd WR (like Strong) than a 1st runningback with our 25th pick in this league

[GoobyPls]

I have a question for you: Do you really the Panthers would have drafted Newton #1 after drafting Clausen the year before, and that debacle he became, if they didn't believe in him or though he could be a Franchise QB???

I think you're letting your personal feelings be revealed here?

Nonetheless, to answer your question: No! Not at all.

If you ever read the Panthers/Ron Rivera's accounts on Cam, they did tremendous research on him.

They interviewed everyone from his high school players and coaches, through Juco, Florida, Auburn, and even the coaches children and wives. They also spoke with his Auburn teachers and classmates, along with the children's Center staff Cam regularly spoke at. They even investigated, and addressed his alleged father shake down attempt and asked Cam about it (along with observing Cam with his family and brother), and were very pleased with what they observed and/his their answers. They also realized, his oft criticized father, instilled a hard work ethic and competitiveness in Newton.

In addition to the various work ethic and character evaluations, the Panthers broke down the film of Cam's throws (along with speaking to Malzahn) and realized that he was pocket passer ready (staying in it), and most of his runs were called runs.

We can criticize the Panthers for many things in the past. However, the Panthers did their research, and Cam answered every question in glowing terms. Maybe you weren't aware of all this. Again, after the Clausen debacle, the Panthers had to get it right, especially with the first pick. They couldn't mess this/that one up.

So yes/absolutely, I think they drafted Newton because they thought he was the best player, or at least would be/become a great QB and leader for the team. Rivera (a defensive coach mind you), sounded very excited.

There's no doubt!

Now, ask me how does Shula and Rivera fit into Cam's production (especially when unhealthy, and with out the defense playing stellar), that's another story. LOL

They drafted Cam number 1 cause of need, they weren't going to let Cam reach his potential for some other team. Clausen showed nothing his rookie seasons so they had no problem with drafting Cam.

Every thing you mentioned is typical protocol for every draft prospect we really want.