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Saints trading again?


Mr. Scot

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Hard to plan when your division roadblock is showing pocket aces in Cam and Luke, ie the best offensive and defensive player in the game over the next decade. Too many obstacles from too many angles for that organization right now without an absolute miracle. Can miracles happen? Sure. But you can't count on miracles.

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Won't be smiling as a Panthers fan.

Saints gutting the trash and building the future.

Speak for yourself. Most see this as one last desperate attempt at a SB. It may have extended the window of possibility a year or two, but it's less likely it happens now. Brees is getting up there and I don't think they should have retooled until a year from now. Some would say they did go "all in" the way the contracts were structured which forced their hand in some of these moves this offseason. Once Brees retires...I don't see them doing anything for a long time.
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Speak for yourself. Most see this as one last desperate attempt at a SB. It may have extended the window of possibility a year or two, but it's less likely it happens now. Brees is getting up there and I don't think they should have retooled until a year from now. Some would say they did go "all in" the way the contracts were structured which forced their hand in some of these moves this offseason. Once Brees retires...I don't see them doing anything for a long time.

Some of us see it as an attempt to set ourselves up better for the future, after Brees, while trying to remain competitive now. They cleared a ton of money off the books for next year and after.

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Care to expand on what the plan was? Besides trying to win the Super Bowl, which should be every teams plan?

Probably not...

 

Not to worry about the cap or long term consistency, and try to bring one more ring to the crescent city.

 

Since you have an aging QB, and a good one at that, it makes sense.  I expect SD (or wherever Rivers goes), NYG, Steelers, etc...to follow suit.

 

The problem with that plan, is what the Saints are dealing with now.  Those big contracts have to be paid out, and once you get past the first couple "cheap" years, it's brutal.

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They have to get under the cap somehow. Saints will be picking top of the draft next year.

Let's not go crazy. Brees may be trending down and their cap situation is not giving them a lot of flexibility, but he's still Drew Brees. They are good for at least 6 wins. They won't be picking 1st.

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May sound crazy, but this draft decides the fate of Drew Brees. Hit in the draft, he retires a Saint. Whiff, and they'll be trading him in 2016 IMO.

It wouldn't surprise me to see them trade up for Mariota. They can sit him for a year behind Brees, and if he's ready, trade Brees to a QB needy team. Or they can sit him behind Brees for the last two seasons of his deal, then let Brees walk and replace him with Mariota.

Granted I don't want to see the Saints go from one franchise QB to their next without a period of decline. But it wouldn't surprise me to see them try to land Brees' successor this year with the moves they're making. Then again, maybe they do decide to stick with paying big money to Brees for the foreseeable future...

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I see the about $1.8m in current space, but I've got the draft picks counting less. Their first 5 picks will count toward the top 51 at about $5.2m, but they'll bump 5 salaries out of the top 51 totaling about $2.6m, so the net hit would be $2.6m. That would put them at $800k over the cap.

But they have more picks now. Does that factor in to your calculations?
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It wouldn't surprise me to see them trade up for Mariota. They can sit him for a year behind Brees, and if he's ready, trade Brees to a QB needy team. Or they can sit him behind Brees for the last two seasons of his deal, then let Brees walk and replace him with Mariota.

Granted I don't want to see the Saints go from one franchise QB to their next without a period of decline. But it wouldn't surprise me to see them try to land Brees' successor this year with the moves they're making. Then again, maybe they do decide to stick with paying big money to Brees for the foreseeable future...

Sean Payton said very clearly they won't be trading up for MM.

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But they have more picks now. Does that factor in to your calculations?

When I said " their first 5 picks count" I was including their acquired 1st and 3rd rounders. So I'd already done that, their later picks won't make as much as their current 51st contract and thus won't influence the cap until they cut down to 53.

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