same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

[teeray]

I just wish we could get past the point of fans and some in the media micro analyzing this guy. Just understand there will be ups and downs as he develops. Eventually it will even out and you will see more consistency. It may be this year, or it still might be 2 or 3 seasons away, but eventually the highs and lows won't be as dramatic as they are now.

Quit holding him to a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady standard. He may never reach that level. But he will get better and better, I truly believe that.

In the meantime, get him help on offense to keep some of the pressure off of Cam until he gets to the point where he truly can carry the offense like those guys.

And if he never becomes ultra elite HOF caliber QB, that is fine. If he doesn't improve from where he is right now, he is still a really good QB that you can win with.

I think some people's expectations are unrealistic at this stage of his career.

[tiger7_88]

And now the over exaggeration begins..

Link to where I said Cam was perfect?

Oh, they do love to flog that strawman.

THEN when asked to come up with even a SINGLE example, they go silent.

But be assured, that strawman will be standing strong once again the next time you point out that there are legitimate reasons for Cam's "issues" outside of Cam himself.

[teeray]

Those who say people who defend Cam are "fanboys" who think "Cam can do no wrong and is perfect" show their true colors and football knowledge, therefore should not be taken seriously

[AU-panther]

Ron needs to improve his coaching and Dave needs to improve the talent on offense ...period..

Maybe all three need to improve.

Better coaching

Better talent around Cam.

Better execution from Cam.

Here is an interesting article that talks about Cam leading the league in coverage sacks.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/2013-quarterbacks-true-sack-rate

Not only can a good Oline make a QB's job easier a good QB can make an Oline look better.

Personally I think Cam has as much talent as any QB in the league but I do think there is room for improvement. Luckily for us most QBs continue to improve over a much longer period then other positions. Better talent around him should help facilitate that improvement.

[mcdougal]

This is spot-on but to be fair to this crowd I don't think they ignore the team weaknesses. They seem to believe that a "franchise QB" should be able to overcome them and if Cam can't we should find someone who should.

 

I get it but I think that's just flawed logic. The Panthers' weaknesses as a team are so anti-QB that there's no one in the league that I can confidently say could have done more than Cam has, and that's a testament to his talent. There's always room for improvement and no one has ever suggested otherwise. 

 

Well, the problem with these posters, and they are doing it on this very page in this very thread, is they will admit to that there is lack of talent surrounding Newton. But they quickly move from that platform and harp on their preconceived notions about Newton, or what he may lack.

 

They usually begin their arguments with "Well, our offense could use some upgrade BUT Newton..." At times, they even appear to be reasonable, seemingly auguring that there is a 50-50 split between lack of skills at the WR/ OL, and things that Newton could improve on. They will at first talk about lack of talent in conjunction with things Newton needs to do to improve.

 

But notice one thing about these posters, they NEVER show up in threads discussing HOW to get Newton more help. They NEVER actually express a DESIRE to get better on the outside or in the trenches. And often are critical of anyone who complains about what our GM is doing to improve the overall offense. However, they are in EVERY thread where criticism of Newton can be drawn.

 

The pattern is very simple: complain, complain, complain about Newton and lack of offensive production in September through January. Become hostile to anyone that suggests making moves to improving said offense that they spent the better part of the Fall and Winter destroying their keyboard, in February through April. In May through August, they spend their time talking about their over-inflated expectation for Newton and the offense they just spent months either hostile or silent about making more explosive. 

 

Oh, they know the offense needs help, they will be the first one picking BOA whenever Newton leaves, if his replacement is depending on the likes of Philly Brown and Bersin to make critical catches in the playoffs all while being protected by the likes of Bell, who cannot even find a replacement home.

[top dawg]

Cam isn't perfect, and will never be. He may not ever have the pristine footwork or consistency in mechanics, but his strength in conjunction with his athleticism is really unparalleled at the position. In my opinion, when you calculate positives and negatives he is good enough to get us where we want to go. The thing is, we will never know unless he gets a marked weapons upgrade and better than average protection on the field at the same time.

I can't genuinely proclaim Cam a bust or the GOAT until the questions surrounding him are answered to a satisfactory level, much less an expert level. Once a better situation is developed for him, then I can just focus on Cam. Until then, there is no true clarity.

[WOW!!]

Cam isn't perfect, and will never be. He may not ever have the pristine footwork or consistency in mechanics, but his strength in conjunction with his athleticism is really unparalleled at the position. In my opinion, when you calculate positives and negatives he is good enough to get us where we want to go. The thing is, we will never know unless he gets a marked weapons upgrade and better than average protection on the field at the same time.

I can't genuinely proclaim Cam a bust or the GOAT until the questions surrounding him are answered to a satisfactory level, much less an expert level. Once a better situation is developed for him, then I can just focus on Cam. Until then, there is no true clarity.

I don't see a problem with this..

let's not make judgment on Cam until you put him in position to have success and he fails or succeeds..

Don't make judgment on what he needs to do until you do what you need to do..

[ItsPantone278]

Coach is hinting at Cam being ready to take that last big step big step forward. I get excited when i read comments like that from the head coach.

When Cam starts hitting on every throw week after week we are talking a supreme player!

[KillerKat]

How does Jeremy almost all the time say the right things?

[AU-panther]

Cam isn't perfect, and will never be. He may not ever have the pristine footwork or consistency in mechanics, but his strength in conjunction with his athleticism is really unparalleled at the position. In my opinion, when you calculate positives and negatives he is good enough to get us where we want to go. The thing is, we will never know unless he gets a marked weapons upgrade and better than average protection on the field at the same time.

I can't genuinely proclaim Cam a bust or the GOAT until the questions surrounding him are answered to a satisfactory level, much less an expert level. Once a better situation is developed for him, then I can just focus on Cam. Until then, there is no true clarity.

Unless Cam is surrounded by 10 pro bowlers that clarity might never happen for some posters around here.

[ooglechi]

And now the over exaggeration begins..

Link to where I said Cam was perfect??

When you don't find it stop posting on this topic. .

You literally said "if you want Cam to be better, put better players around him" as if we can't get better without a better supporting cast. Tannehill, Luck, and Wilson all had garbage OLs and receivers last year and they still produced.

[MadHatter]

Coach is hinting at Cam being ready to take that last big step big step forward. I get excited when i read comments like that from the head coach.

When Cam starts hitting on every throw week after week we are talking a supreme player!

This exactly.

Cam is a damn good QB even with the footwork and mechanics issues....his physical abilities and attributes are off the chart.

I see a guy who whe (yes I said when and not if) he takes the next step as a pocket passer will be damn near unstoppable. The upside and opportunities with him could be limitless.

It is not a knock on Cam....just a view of how much better he can still be. And that is scary.

[WOW!!]

Coach is hinting at Cam being ready to take that last big step big step forward. I get excited when i read comments like that from the head coach.

When Cam starts hitting on every throw week after week we are talking a supreme player!

Absolutely not one QB in league history hits on every throw..

[MHS831]

This exactly.

Cam is a damn good QB even with the footwork and mechanics issues....his physical abilities and attributes are off the chart.

I see a guy who whe (yes I said when and not if) he takes the next step as a pocket passer will be damn near unstoppable. The upside and opportunities with him could be limitless.

It is not a knock on Cam....just a view of how much better he can still be. And that is scary.

 

This is what I have tried to say for months, but people get pretty defensive about it.  He has the tools--no QB has ever had better tools with which to be great---but he is not there yet. 

 

When he gets time, the game will slow down.  When WRs can get open, his accuracy should improve.  However, I am not going to crown him until all of the parts are working together.  Nor am I blaming others until we see consistent qb play--regardless of the reason he is inconsistent.

 

But what a weapon.  When pieces finally fit, we are going to see an unstoppable offense.  With our defense and improved special teams, we have a real chance to be the best team in the NFL.