Matt Miller's 7 Round Mock Draft with Comp Picks

[GoobyPls]

His strengths outweigh his weakness by a mile

 

Like I said he did have questionable hands in 2013, but last season he barely dropped anything and his route tree is better than those guys coming off crazy spread offenses

[micnificent28]

I posted the video right there for you.  Don't go off of "what you understand", just watch the videos.  IMO, Humphries and Moses move very similarly.

 

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664226/morgan-moses

 

 

 

POSITIVES: Ideal length and proportion throughout for an NFL offensive tackle. Does a good job of exhibiting patience off the snap as he routinely establishes width and good bend in his base to either absorb or mirror his opponent in pass protection. Makes good use of his long arms by extending and punching to keep defenders off his frame. Displays a fluid, consistent kick-slide when asked to track and dictate a speed rusher around the edge.

 

Exhibits a strong first step and impressive burst for his size, when asked to fire through to the second level as a run blocker. Powerful hands to latch and steer against opponents of all sizes. Does a good job sustaining effort and contact to the whistle, and makes a concerted attempt to drive his opponent off the block rather than simply occupying him. Impressive lower-half flexibility and anchoring strength when absorbing a bull-rush.

 

NEGATIVES: Lacks the ability to stop and start with suddenness or redirect in a short area. Struggles to get low and snap into smaller opponents at the second level, and will over-pursue as a run-blocker. Isn't always decisive in space and lacks commitment at times as a lead blocker on outside runs.

 

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1984165/dj-humphries

 

 

STRENGTHS: Humphries will have to show greater durability to maximize his talent, but it is undeniable. He looks and moves more like a tight end than an NFL offensive lineman, sporting broad shoulders, long arms and a trim middle. Appears to have the frame to gain at least another 10-15 pounds without a significant loss of quickness... Highly athletic, Humphries is quick off the snap and shows impressive balance and lateral agility in pass protection. He plays with his knees bent and on the balls of his feet, easily shuffling to mirror rushers as well as anchoring well against the bull rush. Humphries boasts long arms and good overall upper body strength to knock defenders off the ball and is quick to the second level.

 

WEAKNESSES: Humphries can run a little hot and cold, raising and lowering his level of play, it seems, based on his level of competition. He can get a little lazy with his fundamentals, getting a bit off-balance when too aggressive with his initial punch and leaving himself vulnerable to counters. Heavy-hands but needs to develop greater strength to drive defenders off the ball in the running game. He didn't appear comfortable with a tight end flanking him or when a back came in to "help" with a chip, which was the case on the hit by Tennessee defensive end Marlon Walls that led to Driskel's season-ending broken leg in 2013. Has missed seven games the past two seasons due to leg injuries.

 

--Rob Rang

 

 

 

 

think i will take people who get paid to scout over your eye there champ. moses=mauler Humphries=athletic.

[LinvilleGorge]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664226/morgan-moses

 

 

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1984165/dj-humphries

 

 

 

think i will take people who get paid to scout over your eye there champ. moses=mauler Humphries=athletic.

 

Cool.  So you either refuse to or you're incapable of formulating an opinion for yourself.  Glad we established that.

[micnificent28]

I am not trying to be contrary because I am sure there are probably are some guys that have Dorsett being mocked in the first, just not the guys that I listen to.  To be sure, scouting is not an exact science, that's why some people skip through the cracks as underrated, and others turn out to be busts.  Even the best scouts sometimes whiff on players, but that's just the nature of the game. 

 

All that being said, I have started paying a little closer attention to what some guys say and more importantly the reasons why they say it. Although I look at probably more sources than I should, and a sense of Helter-Skelter and pulling out my hair, I have really tried to keep my sources on scouting at a minimum.  Unfortunately as fans we will never know what most scouts are saying too much because they keep things on the down low and only come to us as "anonymous".  The guys I do seriously listen to are Greg Cosell, Gil Brandt, Mike Mayock and Bucky Brooks.  I also take what a few scouting services have to say, most notably Optimum Scouting and Ourlads. But again, no one's mouth is necessarily a prayer book. 

 

From what I've seen of Dorsett's scouting reports, he is small, route-limited, has suspect hands, and is not a good blocker.  I just have to raise my eye at anyone who has him going in the first round.  His speed, explosion off the line and ability to play special teams may get him drafted in the second, but this kid is not Brandin Cooks.  Cooks ran (runs) more of the route tree, has better hands, and more notably can stop on a dime and change direction like a video game character as more than one scout basically put it. Dorsett just doesn't sound like a guy that Gettleman would draft in the second round, much less the first one to me, especially not when there may be other receivers like Agholor, Coates and Perriman still on the board, not to mention players at other positions.  I think that he'd wait and possibly take him later, but then there may be even a player like Ty Montgomery whom G-man may like better. 

 

I see. We travel in different scouting circles. I prefer Josh Norris,matt Miller, Mcshay and Kiper to the guys you Noted. But i do like brooks. Not a big fan of Mike Mayock he seems to be an extremist to me and always on the outside of saying said guy who everyone has as a 3rd rounder is a first. He is more the skip bayless of scouting to me. Can't argue with your evaluation of his route running and hands though. I would like to see him with a true Qb throwing him the ball and i think he is miles better than coates imo. coates hands are terrible.

[micnificent28]

Cool.  So you either refuse to or you're incapable of formulating an opinion for yourself.  Glad we established that.

 

Just giving you another persons opinion besides that of my own which frankly counts for jack poop on here. Opinions we all have one. even if they are wrong like yours.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just giving you another persons opinion besides that of my own which frankly counts for jack poop on here. Opinions we all have one. even if they are wrong like yours.

 

Did you even read the scouting reports you posted?  They pretty much said the opposite of what you claimed in regard to Moses.  They compared Morgan Moses to Ryan Clady for god's sake.  Clady is probably the most athletic LT in the NFL.

 

Ryan Clady, OT, Denver Broncos - Like Clady, Morgan enters the draft with plus movement skills for his size, but comes with many of the same questions that Clady did in terms of his ability to gnerate power enough to move defenders consistently as a run-blocker. If he can improve in this area, Moses has the upside to be a top-notch blind-side protector at the next level, as Clady has become.

 

Moses is the definition of the scouting description "dancing bear" with his mammoth frame and nimble feet. Uses his limbs to reach and steer defenders wherever he chooses, but is still refining his technique. If he continues to develop while staying in shape, Moses will be an attractive blocker for most schemes.

[micnificent28]

Did you even read the scouting reports you posted?  They pretty much said the opposite of what you claimed in regard to Moses.  They compared Morgan Moses to Ryan Clady for god's sake.  Clady is probably the most athletic LT in the NFL.

 

Ryan Clady, OT, Denver Broncos - Like Clady, Morgan enters the draft with plus movement skills for his size, but comes with many of the same questions that Clady did in terms of his ability to gnerate power enough to move defenders consistently as a run-blocker. If he can improve in this area, Moses has the upside to be a top-notch blind-side protector at the next level, as Clady has become.

 

Moses is the definition of the scouting description "dancing bear" with his mammoth frame and nimble feet. Uses his limbs to reach and steer defenders wherever he chooses, but is still refining his technique. If he continues to develop while staying in shape, Moses will be an attractive blocker for most schemes.

 

Sounds like the opposite of what Dave said when describing Moses as "Stiff".

[davos]

Dammit Ronnie Stanley, why'd you have go back to school??

[LinvilleGorge]

Sounds like the opposite of what Dave said when describing Moses as "Stiff".

 

What are you talking about?  I agree with Dave.  He was stiff.  So is Humphries.  You posted that scouting report to try to support your claims.  They did the opposite.

 

Here's a quote from the very scouting report that YOU linked that pretty much echoes what I've said about Humphries at least in terms of where he should be drafted:

 

Humphries' length and agility is sure to intrigue teams but in a solid class of tackles, Humphries could be waiting until the middle rounds to hear his name called.

 

I disagree with their assessment on his agility.  It's pretty average.

[micnificent28]

What are you talking about?  I agree with Dave.  He was stiff.  So is Humphries.  You posted that scouting report to try to support your claims.  They did the opposite.

 

Here's a quote from the very scouting report that YOU linked that pretty much echoes what I've said about Humphries at least in terms of where he should be drafted:

 

Humphries' length and agility is sure to intrigue teams but in a solid class of tackles, Humphries could be waiting until the middle rounds to hear his name called.

 

I disagree with their assessment on his agility.  It's pretty average.

 

 

 

STRENGTHS: Humphries will have to show greater durability to maximize his talent, but it is undeniable. He looks and moves more like a tight end than an NFL offensive lineman, sporting broad shoulders, long arms and a trim middle. Appears to have the frame to gain at least another 10-15 pounds without a significant loss of quickness... Highly athletic, Humphries is quick off the snap and shows impressive balance and lateral agility in pass protection. He plays with his knees bent and on the balls of his feet, easily shuffling to mirror rushers as well as anchoring well against the bull rush. Humphries boasts long arms and good overall upper body strength to knock defenders off the ball and is quick to the second level.

 

Think your leaving out the highly athletic and quick off the snap part. balance and agility. And they have him projected as the 49th best player in the draft. Second round. not middle.

[LinvilleGorge]

Think your leaving out the highly athletic and quick off the snap part. balance and agility. And they have him projected as the 49th best player in the draft. Second round. not middle.

 

Again, I just provided a direct quote from the link you provided.

[The Lone Panther]

1. DJ Humphries - LT Florida - Way too early to be taking Humphries.  I think we'll wait and see if he's there in the 2nd, and I think he will be. 

 

57. Carolina—WR Phillip Dorsett, Miami - The most overrated receiver in this draft.  Watched him play a few times and wasn't impressed.  Watched very closely when Miami played my Gamecocks.  My Gamecocks have the worst d-line in the country, an average LB squad, and a very young secondary.  Hell, we have true freshmen rotating in the game, and Dorsett was only able to muster up 45 yards receiving.  Not very good, not very good at all.

 

89. Carolina—CB Quandre Diggs, Texas - He's too short.  We seem to be mainly focused on 6'0 or 6'1 corners.

 

124. Carolina—SS James Sample, Louisville - Decent pick. 

 

161. Carolina—RB Cameron Artis-Payne, Auburn - Good pick, however, I would much rather take a tall running back rather than a 5'9 one.

 

169. Carolina—WR Vince Mayle, Washington St - Honestly, I never heard of him. 

 

200. Carolina—CB Cody Riggs, Notre Dame - Same as above

 

213. Carolina—OL Bobby Hart, FSU - Ehh

 

242. Carolina—QB Bryan Bennett, SE Louisiana - We would have to be stupid to waste a draft pick on a QB, especially a QB in the 7th round.  Just grab a guy like Dylan Thompson from South Carolina as a UDFA and let him be the back up.  He's better than Bennett anyways, and he's projected to go undrafted. 

[top dawg]

Give me a link to that scouting report

 

His hands improved a lot last season, coming out of a pro style offense his route tree is way ahead of the curve compared with those spread receivers, he's actually a decent and willing blocker for his stature.

 

Yes his hands did improve last season, but he is still not as consistent as the tier 1 guys, and I like to take more than a senior year into account. His blocking belies his stature and lack of strength unfortunately for him. His size is an issue regardless whether people want to admit it or not.  And his route running is suspect even if you read people who have watched him at the U (e.g. Jerry steinberg).  I'd be absolutely shocked if he is taken in the first round, or even by Gettleman in the second.  Gettleman passed over better receivers than Dorsett last year.

 

Dorsett is rising (or has risen) up some draft boards, but keep in mind where you see him being projected. Just go down the rotoworld entries, which always seem to be slanted more toward the positive than the negative when it comes to draft prospects, and basically all they talk about is speed, speed, and more speed.  They also talk about how he is a vertical receiver. Some of them basically admit that it's the speed that will have some considering Dorsett in the first round.  I am trying to read between the lines, and I won't be charmed.  I don't think Gettleman will be charmed enough to take him in the first two rounds either.

 

Anyway, here are some links that i have read here and there. 

 

Undersized at just 5-9, lacking ideal size and strength for the next level. Has struggled throughout his career with easy drops in important situations...

--Dane Brugler (9/16/14)

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1836058/phillip-dorsett

 

Weaknesses

• Drops too many passes that require a little “extra-effort” due to contact or focus issues
• Doesn’t have the frame or strength to win at all areas of the field
• Contested catch points don’t appear to be a strength in limited opportunities
• Has some ball security issues, holds it too loosely and sometimes fails to tuck the ball away quickly after a catch
• While possessing quick feet and top-notch athleticism, Dorsett isn’t particularly elusive in the open field. Much more of a one-cut-and-go type of runner, who won’t make many defenders miss in the open field.
• Brought down easily by contact after the catch
• Very limited and specific usage at Miami, used almost exclusively on go routes, deep crosses, or screens
• Will need to develop a full route tree in the NFL
• A lot of unknowns with Dorsett due to his spotty production and his one-dimensional tape. Vast majority of his college catches were wide open grabs from running by defenders.
• Seems to be a willing blocker, but lacks the strength to ward off a defensive back making a full effort
• While certainly possessing explosive skills as a punt/kickoff returner, will sometimes make very unusual or poor decisions in the return game

http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl-draft/scouting-reports/wr/2015-nfl-draft-scouting-report-wr-phillip-dorsett-r6106

 

Biggest Concerns: Suspect hands; sloppy route runner; production often didn’t match talent in college.

 

http://blackandbluereview.com/panthers-prospect-miami-receiver-phillip-dorsett-combine/

 

 

Cons

• Lacks ideal bulk and strength; can get pushed around off the line. May not be an outside the numbers receiver
• Can be tripped up too easily; doesn't break many tackles
• Doesn't have the sharpest football IQ; has a tough time reading the defense on option routes, gets out of sync with QB
• Doesn't work well when play breaks down, stays covered
• Lack of possession receiver traits causes him to disappear if defenses key-in on him
• Lacks confidence to go over the middle
• Offers nothing as a blocker

 

 

 

http://nfldraftgeek.com/phillipdorsett-nfldraftscoutingreport.html

[GoobyPls]

A break down of Dorsett as a prospect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sDeaKdlaaI

Yes his hands did improve last season, but he is still not as consistent as the tier 1 guys, and I like to take more than a senior year into account. His blocking belies his stature and lack of strength unfortunately for him. His size is an issue regardless whether people want to admit it or not.  And his route running is suspect even if you read people who have watched him at the U (e.g. Jerry steinberg).  I'd be absolutely shocked if he is taken in the first round, or even by Gettleman in the second.  Gettleman passed over better receivers than Dorsett last year.

 

Dorsett is rising (or has risen) up some draft boards, but keep in mind where you see him being projected. Just go down the rotoworld entries, which always seem to be slanted more toward the positive than the negative when it comes to draft prospects, and basically all they talk about is speed, speed, and more speed.  They also talk about how he is a vertical receiver. Some of them basically admit that it's the speed that will have some considering Dorsett in the first round.  I am trying to read between the lines, and I won't be charmed.  I don't think Gettleman will be charmed enough to take him in the first two rounds either.

 

Anyway, here are some links that i have read here and there. 

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1836058/phillip-dorsett

 

http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl-draft/scouting-reports/wr/2015-nfl-draft-scouting-report-wr-phillip-dorsett-r6106

 

http://blackandbluereview.com/panthers-prospect-miami-receiver-phillip-dorsett-combine/

 

 

 

http://nfldraftgeek.com/phillipdorsett-nfldraftscoutingreport.html

 

Who said he's a top tier number 1 receiver? he's the perfect compliment to Kelvin. A lot of those quotes contradict themselves He's open constantly but he doesn't know how to run routes? yet he comes from a pro style offense, which they run a more diverse route tree.

 

Its funny how they bring up coaching, have you been keeping up with Miami coaching? He went to the senior bowl and was far and away the best receiver