Andrew Luck likely waiting until 2016 for contract extension.

[pantherclaw]

So he deserves to be the highest paid MLB in thw game, right?

How much of a discount, if any, do you see his agent giving Gettleman and the Panthers, if any?

I honestly believe that the home team discount doesnt happen nearly as often as People think it will.

[pantherclaw]

Plus most fans fail to realize that each offseason sets the market for the top players at their positions.

To retain elite players, the home team must be willing to match what other teams are willing to offer, or be willing and ready to move on.

[Frizzy350]

Would you call that less of a gamble than current contracts, or a greater one?

 

That, good sir, is a really good question.

 

The last "wave" of QB contracts signed (in regards to guys coming off rookie contracts) were Dalton and Kaepernick, which are the ultimate team friendly deals.  They were especially unique contracts and I don't see Cam, Luck or Wilson even entertaining those types of contracts.  They are still potentially high paying contracts, but they are loaded with DE escalators consistently lowering the payout and give the team the freedom to cut ties with you whenever it suits them.

 

If the franchise is very sure of a young quarterback, I think the heavily guaranteed contract is more beneficial to both the team and the player.  Both parties will have a more accurate amount of money given and received on a year to year basis, allowing the FO to better plan the rest of the roster, but is essentially "married" to the quarterback.

 

I have limited knowledge on the traditional contracts (the ones guys like Brady, the Mannings, Rodgers, etc) as I'm still a bit younger and was brought into football culture by Madden vidya games.  I BELIEVE (but someone, correct me if I'm wrong) that these contracts were structured with frontloaded guaranteed money and escalators.  So for example, if you signed Eli to a $120 million contract, 60 mil guaranteed over 6 years, it was structured so almost all the guaranteed money would be off the books following the third or fourth season.  If something went horribly wrong (career ending injury, V prIson sentenCe  K, terrifying masturbation accident, etc) you could still get the QB off the books in a few years.  Luckily for those guys (and teams) everything worked out just dandy and their contracts keep being restructured and extended in a similar fashion.

[Mr. Scot]

So he deserves to be the highest paid MLB in thw game, right?

How much of a discount, if any, do you see his agent giving Gettleman and the Panthers, if any?

I honestly believe that the home team discount doesnt happen nearly as often as People think it will.

See, this is where it gets tough for me.

Does he deserve to be paid according to his talent? Absolutely.

But when I think about it, the ghost of Jon Beason's contract sneaks up on me and scares e.

(agree on the hometown discount point, by the way)

[Mr. Scot]

That, good sir, is a really good question.

The last "wave" of QB contracts signed (in regards to guys coming off rookie contracts) were Dalton and Kaepernick, which are the ultimate team friendly deals. They were especially unique contracts and I don't see Cam, Luck or Wilson even entertaining those types of contracts. They are still potentially high paying contracts, but they are loaded with DE escalators consistently lowering the payout and give the team the freedom to cut ties with you whenever it suits them.

If the franchise is very sure of a young quarterback, I think the heavily guaranteed contract is more beneficial to both the team and the player. Both parties will have a more accurate amount of money given and received on a year to year basis, allowing the FO to better plan the rest of the roster, but is essentially "married" to the quarterback.

I have limited knowledge on the traditional contracts (the ones guys like Brady, the Mannings, Rodgers, etc) as I'm still a bit younger and was brought into football culture by Madden vidya games. I BELIEVE (but someone, correct me if I'm wrong) that these contracts were structured with frontloaded guaranteed money and escalators. So for example, if you signed Eli to a $120 million contract, 60 mil guaranteed over 6 years, it was structured so almost all the guaranteed money would be off the books following the third or fourth season. If something went horribly wrong (career ending injury, V prIson sentenCe K, terrifying masturbation accident, etc) you could still get the QB off the books in a few years. Luckily for those guys (and teams) everything worked out just dandy and their contracts keep being restructured and extended in a similar fashion.

'Terrifying masturbation accident' is a phrase you don't see often (thank God)

My worry about the fully guaranteed contracts is what happens when they inevitably start escalating.

Are we gonna see someone with 120 million, fully guaranteed?

[pantherclaw]

See, this is where it gets tough for me.

Does he deserve to be paid according to his talent? Absolutely.

But when I think about it, the ghost of Jon Beason's contract sneaks up on me and scares e.

see, that's where i don't get hung up.

I know and accept that injuries are a fact of life in the NFL. I don't blame the players or GM's for that, cause it seems silly to me to blame anybody when it's beyond their control.

[Mr. Scot]

see, that's where i don't get hung up.

I know and accpet injuries are a fact of life in the NFL. I don't blame the players or GM's for that, cause it seems silly to me to blame anybody when it's beyond their control.

Fair enough.

I guess I'm still a worry wart on these fronts

[pantherclaw]

Been watching football far to long to really worry about players contracts.

If they are talented, they are gonna get paid based on the market, not what i think they should be paid, which is another subject entirely.

[Frizzy350]

So he deserves to be the highest paid MLB in thw game, right?

How much of a discount, if any, do you see his agent giving Gettleman and the Panthers, if any?

I honestly believe that the home team discount doesnt happen nearly as often as People think it will.

 

I don't believe there will be a hometown discount.  I don't even believe in a hometown discount.  I think that only happens when it is really suiting the players interest to take less money.  Good example would be Tolbert.  I think he felt it was in the best interest to miss out of the extra million/year to raise his family in Carolina rather than wherever the other offer was coming from.

 

Luke will get a massive contract.  Outside of JJ Watt (who, I believe, is the best player in football) he is the best defensive player in the league.  Luke is also a PR's wet dream (and Lola's).

 

I don't think it will be as big of a contract as Suh's though.

[Frizzy350]

see, that's where i don't get hung up.

I know and accept that injuries are a fact of life in the NFL. I don't blame the players or GM's for that, cause it seems silly to me to blame anybody when it's beyond their control.

 

Yea injuries happen and there really is nobody to blame (except Vontaze Burfict).

 

I still think the Beason contract was bad, regardless or Luke's presence and Beason's injury.

 

Beason was a really good player, but at the time the NFL was pretty dry in MLB talent.  The players at the MLB position weren't really built for the pass heavy "metagame" that was and still is taking over.  Really the only guy equipped to handle what NFL offenses were evolving into was Urlacher.

 

I just don't get why Hurney resigned EVERYONE to these backloaded, impossible to move on from contracts.  Beason, Dlo, Stewart, Kalil, Johnson, Anderson...  I mean did he really think it would be a good idea to make a permanent commitment to everyone?  It didn't dawn on him that the slightest amount of wiggle room for just a few of the signings might be a good idea in case something didn't work out right?

[t96]

'Terrifying masturbation accident' is a phrase you don't see often (thank God)

My worry about the fully guaranteed contracts is what happens when they inevitably start escalating.

Are we gonna see someone with 120 million, fully guaranteed?

Wilson, 6 years $100M fully guaranteed, this year.

[Frizzy350]

'Terrifying masturbation accident' is a phrase you don't see often (thank God)

My worry about the fully guaranteed contracts is what happens when they inevitably start escalating.

Are we gonna see someone with 120 million, fully guaranteed?

 

Hey man they happen.  Don't be a victim.  Use protection when masturbating.

I hope you liked/caught what I did with the prison sentence line lol.

 

Yes, we probably will see contracts like that within the next decade for quarterbacks.

 

Thing is, it really doesn't matter.  I read an interesting piece a few years back delving into the mindset of some of the highly regarded GMs of the league regarding concerns over top tier quarterback contracts.  Basically every contract in the NFL revolves around the price of the top tier quarterbacks. 

 

The top GMs who have the top QBs have a similar mentality in that they essentially pretend the QB money doesn't exist.  They look at it like this (purely made up numbers and such to follow): 

 

Aaron Rodgers costs $20 mil/year, the salary cap is $120 mil/year.

They basically consider Aaron Rodgers a "cost of living expenditure".

So when building a roster, their mindset is they have $100 mil/year to put together the best roster possible.

They view top QB contracts in a similar light to what us "normies" view income taxes.  It is way too much, you can think of a billion ways you could spend the money better, but at the end of the day you have to pay it and might as well pretend 30% of your salary doesn't exist for the sake your sanity.

 

Let's say if suddenly top tier QBs cost $100mil/year, they would still pay it.  The contracts given out for every other position would immediately drop to about a tenth of what they are now.  Just like how if a sudden extreme tax hike was put through legislation, you'd immediately see people not willing to spend much on non-essential consumables (at least the smart people who don't want to starve to death).

[Thorrez]

Options:

1. Pay Cam $20-22M a year

2. Sign a $5M a year game manager like McCown or Anderson

3. Make a Bradford type of deal (i guess it would be cutler for a first plus his $20M a year contract)

4. Draft a new qb

5. Tank a season

Question: Can we win the superb owl with this option.

1. Yes

2. Game manager plus $15M extra in cap? No

3. Are you kidding me?

4. Yes, but that requires that we find a Wilson in the second round. So a huge gamble.

5. With our pathetic division would not work even if we tried.

So it is down to Cam or a huge gamble in the draft. Choice is obvious. We can fault cam for not being perfect all we want, facts are still he is our only option.

And yes, we should try to get a "guaranteed contact discount", but that is $2M a year (maybe) and not $9M like one poster is dreaming of.

[Mr. Scot]

Hey man they happen. Don't be a victim. Use protection when masturbating.

I hope you liked/caught what I did with the prison sentence line lol.

Yes, we probably will see contracts like that within the next decade for quarterbacks.

Thing is, it really doesn't matter. I read an interesting piece a few years back delving into the mindset of some of the highly regarded GMs of the league regarding concerns over top tier quarterback contracts. Basically every contract in the NFL revolves around the price of the top tier quarterbacks.

The top GMs who have the top QBs have a similar mentality in that they essentially pretend the QB money doesn't exist. They look at it like this (purely made up numbers and such to follow):

Aaron Rodgers costs $20 mil/year, the salary cap is $120 mil/year.

They basically consider Aaron Rodgers a "cost of living expenditure".

So when building a roster, their mindset is they have $100 mil/year to put together the best roster possible.

They view top QB contracts in a similar light to what us "normies" view income taxes. It is way too much, you can think of a billion ways you could spend the money better, but at the end of the day you have to pay it and might as well pretend 30% of your salary doesn't exist for the sake your sanity.

Let's say if suddenly top tier QBs cost $100mil/year, they would still pay it. The contracts given out for every other position would immediately drop to about a tenth of what they are now. Just like how if a sudden extreme tax hike was put through legislation, you'd immediately see people not willing to spend much on non-essential consumables (at least the smart people who don't want to starve to death).

Gives me an idea.