Stephen Hill

[WOW!!]

I'll believe it when I see it..

[rodeo]

Where is all of the talk about Ricky being a great WR coach really coming from? I know that Smitty gives him a lot if credit in his development when Ricky was a WR here. However, what great talent has Ricky really developed as a coach?

Just wondering people's perspective.

 

Agree completely. He somehow instantly got that reputation the moment he was hired, yet last year we had receivers stopping in the middle of routes and looking utterly confused. And that includes old vets. There's something seriously wrong with our WR system right now.

[PntherPryd]

I'm a Stephen Hill fan.  The panthers kept him on the Practice Squad because of his "measurables".  Would love to see him make the team.

 

But to plan on Hill being the #2 WR is akin to thinking Bell/Chandler could be our starting tackles.  Not going there again.

 

If he develops, great.  If not, very little risk.

 

 

The more compelling aspect of this thread is the pulling back of the green curtain on RP.  Not sure if it is the communication from Shula down or Proehl down but I our WR attack has to be more coordinated and in synch this year.  How anyone could look at our offense and give Ricky the only pass is beyond me.  Glad this came up.  Maybe PanthersUnited can make a thread about it.

[RelaxImaPro]

I like Stephen Hill.  I like the idea of what he could become.  But... just by watching his highlights (I'm not breaking down Stephen Hill film lol) it doesn't look like he plays to those crazy measurables at all.  If I had no prior knowledge of him being a 6'4 4.3 guy, then I definitely wouldn't be able to tell by watching him play.

 

He doesn't beat people with his speed, and he doesn't beat people with his size.  Every one of those catches in his highlights are him running the same two routes over and over, and they're all thrown perfectly into his hands.

 

He seems like one of those guys who has these crazy measurables but has no idea how to use them to his advantage on the field.  If he can learn how to do that with us, then great.

[CPantherKing]

Stephen Hill was in a Jets offensive system that is no place for a rookie WR to grow under a WR coach whom really had no business coaching WRs.

 

He was targeted 106 times in 23 games. He had 9 drops. So, on a per game basis he was targeted an average of 4.6 times per game and had a drop percentage of 8.5%. He caught 42.5% of the balls thrown to him. The QBs missed him 49% of the time. Of those 106 targets, 40 were deep passes. He caught 9 of those. So, on short passes he had 36 receptions of 66 targets (54.5%).

 

To compare:

 

Kelvin Benjamin has been targeted 145 times in 16 games - average of 9.1 targets per game. Drop percentage was 6.9%. He caught 50.3% of the balls thrown to him. QB missed him 42.8% of the time. 17/46 deep (37.0%) - 56/99 short (56.5%)

 

Jarrett Boykin, who I hear people excited about, was a part of the Packers passing game to start the season last year and got buried on the depth chart due to drops.

 

Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker, Roddy White, Jimmy Graham, Desean Jackson, Steve Smith, and Vernon Davis all had seasons where they dropped 7 to 10 percent of their targets.

 

I say be patient with the Stephen Hill project. Proehl sees something or he would not be here. I would not be shocked if you see Hill rise up to take the #2 spot under Proehl's guidance. Honestly, stop sending him deep and work him under coverage to use his size and speed after the catch.

 

People make too much of dropped passes by young WRs who are not in the slot. The receivers working in the slot with a #1 WR on the outside will always have a lower drop percentage. It is like a QB with 70%+ completion percentage when all they do is throw smoke routes, screens, and 5 yard crossers and slants. They will naturally pad their stats because of their role in an offense.

[updownsigma]

He's more of a Taye Biddle at this point.

 

Wow talk about a name I hadn't heard in a while

 

 

^^Him catching a bomb from Culpepper in the CFL lol

 

Edit: I'm an idiot, that's the the UFL, not CFL

[O-Ther]

Stephen Hill was in a Jets offensive system that is no place for a rookie WR to grow under a WR coach whom really had no business coaching WRs.

 

He was targeted 106 times in 23 games. He had 9 drops. So, on a per game basis he was targeted an average of 4.6 times per game and had a drop percentage of 8.5%. He caught 42.5% of the balls thrown to him. The QBs missed him 49% of the time. Of those 106 targets, 40 were deep passes. He caught 9 of those. So, on short passes he had 36 receptions of 66 targets (54.5%).

 

To compare:

 

Kelvin Benjamin has been targeted 145 times in 16 games - average of 9.1 targets per game. Drop percentage was 6.9%. He caught 50.3% of the balls thrown to him. QB missed him 42.8% of the time. 17/46 deep (37.0%) - 56/99 short (56.5%)

 

Jarrett Boykin, who I hear people excited about, was a part of the Packers passing game to start the season last year and got buried on the depth chart due to drops.

 

Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker, Roddy White, Jimmy Graham, Desean Jackson, Steve Smith, and Vernon Davis all had seasons where they dropped 7 to 10 percent of their targets.

 

I say be patient with the Stephen Hill project. Proehl sees something or he would not be here. I would not be shocked if you see Hill rise up to take the #2 spot under Proehl's guidance. Honestly, stop sending him deep and work him under coverage to use his size and speed after the catch.

 

People make too much of dropped passes by young WRs who are not in the slot. The receivers working in the slot with a #1 WR on the outside will always have a lower drop percentage. It is like a QB with 70%+ completion percentage when all they do is throw smoke routes, screens, and 5 yard crossers and slants. They will naturally pad their stats because of their role in an offense.

 

Vegas will give better odds for him not making another catch in the NFL.

 

Hope he does, but not betting my money on it.

 

[teeray]

He needs a QB without a big arm that can utilize his speed efficiently.

Kinda like Ginn. When he has a bunch of limpdicks throwing to him he is more likely to struggle.

Having said all that I don't see him ad WR2

[SIGCHI222]

Hopefully Jaelen Strong can be the number 2

 

Strong is your answer and he will be available at 25 if the cards fall right.  Gotta keep the faith.

 

[Mol3m4n]

If he is there, you choose La'el Collins. If not, and he's there, you pick Strong.

[Panthers8969]

Yeah just like how brady and Rodgers were benched to sit back and learn that's what we did with hill, boom next moss

[RJK]

i think most people put too much into what it takes mentally to be a football player. outside of QB of course. stephen hill is a tool and if used correctly he will succeed

[O-Ther]

If he is there, you choose La'el Collins. If not, and he's there, you pick Strong.

 

Always easier to find WRs in free agency than LTs. Look at this past week for evidence. Drafting LT>Drafting WR

 

[TylerVagyler]

Joe Person @josephperson · 15m15 minutes ago

Rivera says the year on the practice squad helped Stephen Hill relax, catch the ball more consistently.

 

Joe Person @josephperson · 18m18 minutes ago

Rivera says with Hill's size and speed, could get in a position to help #Panthers.

 

David Newton @DNewtonespn · 20m20 minutes ago

Rivera said Stephen Hill is at the point where he could contribute this season. #Panthers

 

David Newton @DNewtonespn · 18m18 minutes ago

Rivera says Stephen Hill takes pressure off HAVING to take a WR in the draft. Doesn't mean #Panthers won't take one.