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The reason Cam isn't in a hurry to sign a contract

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TheRed Newbie

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Don't trust the sources close to Cam? You're thinking like a Panthers fan. Think like Cam

 

You're basically talking like you have literally conversed with Newton about these things.

 

Then you added the comment about Luck supposedly staying in college because he felt he couldn't win here.

 

Where are you getting all this?

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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Dumbest thing I have ever read.

 

Just imagining the conversation in the Chiefs front office...

 

"So, do you think we should put the Franchise Tag on Justin Houston?"

 

"Nah.  He wants to be a free agent."

 

"Oh, okay.  We'll just let him walk, then."

 

 

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I think it's kind of obvious. Even though he has improved his public image dramatically the last few years, I don't think the guy is happy here.

I think a start would be to give him a halfway decent offensive left tackle, and you cannot possibly think Oher is it. I would,have loved to been a fly on the wall when Cam heard they signed Oher. You have to assume that that's a huge priority in the draft. Oher graded out as one of the absolute worst OL in the league last year...at right tackle.

And yeah, I already know NO's line sucked last year.

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Then you added the comment about Luck supposedly staying in college because he felt he couldn't win here.

 

Where are you getting all this?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5995754

 

"I am committed to earning my degree in architectural design from Stanford University and am on track to accomplish this at the completion of the spring quarter of 2012," Luck said in a statement.

"It's not like the NFL is going anywhere, it's one of the best run leagues in the world. It will still be there when he graduates."

The Carolina Panthers own the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft and indicated earlier this week that they would be interested in drafting Luck if he decided to leave school.

Luck's father, who's also the athletic director at West Virginia, said the possibility of an NFL lockout or being selected by the Panthers did not influence his son's decision.

"Call him old school," Oliver Luck said. "He comes from a faction of people who believe you go to college to pursue your degree."

 

 

 

any Cam fanboy reads that as fug the Panthers, they really don't want to win or pay their players...

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I think it's kind of obvious. Even though he has improved his public image dramatically the last few years, I don't think the guy is happy here.

I think a start would be to give him a halfway decent offensive left tackle, and you cannot possibly think Oher is it. I would,have loved to been a fly on the wall when Cam heard they signed Oher. You have to assume that that's a huge priority in the draft. Oher graded out as one of the absolute worst OL in the league last year...at right tackle.

And yeah, I already know NO's line sucked last year.

 

Who?  Name names.  Seriously.

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You're basically talking like you have literally conversed with Newton about these things.

Then you added the comment about Luck supposedly staying in college because he felt he couldn't win here.

Where are you getting all this?

I haven't personally talked to Cam and thats all I'm going to say about that. So know you don't have to take what I'm saying as facts. Call it theories, projections, whatever. I can tell you that Cam wants to be here because he's built his brand here, he wants to be that guy that brings a Super Bowl to charlotte. That's the competitor in him. But Cam wants to be an iconic sports figure. That's his number one goal, and he knows it takes Super Bowls to ge there. He's not chasing contractual money, he wants the type of money that's going to keep coming long after he's done playing football. And he can only get that by winning consistently. So you can write it down, screenshot it, whatever you want to do. If Cameron Newton does not feel like he can win here, he is going to leave. No amount of money will keep him. I went a little strong in saying he will leave, but don't think its not an option at this point.

And Andrew Luck absolutely dodged the panthers, come on bro you know that. We declared him out pick and he went back to school. He risked getting drafted by the Browns, or the Raiders. That's how bad he didn't want to play here.

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Just imagining the conversation in the Chiefs front office...

"So, do you think we should put the Franchise Tag on Justin Houston?"

"Nah. He wants to be a free agent."

"Oh, okay. We'll just let him walk, then."

What did tagging Hardy do for us? Didn't you disagree with the move? Probably because you actually agree that tagging a player that will be gone the following year is a dumb way to spend cap space. funny how you agree with me and don't even realize it.

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I honestly don't think they've offered him anything yet. I think both sides know that the cap next year will allow us to make a market offer and Cam is fine with that. On top of that, Cam (and his agent) want to see if Wilson and Luck can set the market to allow Cam to know what a market value is.

I see no logical reason Cam will sign at all this year. Mr Scot points out that we could go franchise tag in order to force Wilson and Luck to set the market and Cam may want that. I'm not sure but that's a possibility.

Maybe. There were reports we were negotiating though, a while back. I understand those guys are around the same age but other top QBs have signed new deals this year and last. I think they have a pretty good idea of what the market is and what the cap will be. I don't think that's an issue at all, at least from the clubs side at this point. In my opinion, there is only downside to waiting for those guys to set the market, again from the clubs side.

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And Andrew Luck absolutely dodged the panthers, come on bro you know that. We declared him out pick and he went back to school. He risked getting drafted by the Browns, or the Raiders. That's how bad he didn't want to play here.

Yeah, except that's crap...

I talked to Luck's father, Oliver Luck, by phone about the decision Thursday afternoon (and here's a link to my column from Friday morning, which goes in-depth into this conversation). Oliver Luck said it mostly boiled down to Luck wanting "at least one more year with his guys" -- his Stanford teammates, whom Luck wants to win a Pac-10 championship with.

Oliver Luck said his son also wanted to graduate before he left school, which is what he is on track to do by the spring of 2012. "It's kind of old-school, I know, but he went to college with the idea of not leaving until he got a degree," said Oliver Luck, who is the athletic director at West Virginia and a former NFL quarterback himself.

Oliver Luck also stressed -- and I asked him several times -- that the fact that his son would have ended up in Carolina had he declared early for the draft had "absolutely nothing to do with this decision." Jerry Richardson's news conference Tuesday, the Panthers' horrible 2010 season -- none of it mattered.

To hear the father tell it, the son barely even talked about the impending lockout, much less what team he would end up on. "Those external factors were just not that important to him," Luck said. "He wanted to go back to Stanford."

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Luck's dad said the same thing to Steve Reed on his old Carolina Growl site.

Would you like to tell us that yuo have a better source than Luck's father?

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What did tagging Hardy do for us? Didn't you disagree with the move? Probably because you actually agree that tagging a player that will be gone the following year is a dumb way to spend cap space. funny how you agree with me and don't even realize it.

 

Hardy was specifically tagged to be a one-year rental, but that situation blew up because of his personal life.

 

And unless you think Cam's going to have a domestic violence incident this offseason, those are extremely different situations.

 

So no, I don't find myself agreeing with you.

 

 

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