The reason Cam isn't in a hurry to sign a contract

[Mr. Scot]

I mean it is one thing to be impatient. That is a fans right.

It's those folks who disregard the fact we have no money. Then say the reason we don't spend what we don't have, is because we strive to be mediocre.

How do you argue with folks who actually believe Gman and JR don't want to win?

 

You don't.

 

Anyone who takes that idea seriously is probably too stupid to bother with.

 

[GoobyPls]

I know this probably doesn't mean a whole lot to some. But....Gman has only been on the job for two years.

Last year he had zero money. But to some, that is an excuse not a reality.

This year, he has a little money. But to some, he is waiting too damm long to spend it.

Yeah, that Gman character better get his act together pretty quick. I mean, hellz, he has had two years already.

 

All I'm saying is for if they really wanted to can get Crabtree or Johnson even with the small amount of money we have. I know it might come back to haunt us in the future but for once I would like them say you know what screw it where gonna give Cam a legitimate number 2 and see what he can do, these are guys who have put up 1000 yards with Alex Smith, Kaepernick and Fitzpatrick as their QB's. If it means taking a small risk so be it. You never know one of those guys comes here and becomes a legit threat and we end up keeping him.

[GoobyPls]

And nothing to show for it!

Well, except back to back division championships, two straight playoff appearances, two straight finishes in the top eight of the league, the best two year stretch of drafting this team has ever seen, steadily improving cap space and a team atmosphere that visiting free agents have called great.

So I guess if you like those sorts of things...

 

Ah yes it was Gettleman master plan for our division to suck and us being able to make a playoff appearance with a 7-8-1 record. And all those things you mention had nothing to do with the players and coaches its all Gettleman

 

 

The lack of respect you have for Rivera is mind numbing. Rivera has been in asked to make chicken salad out of chicken s**t, Munnerlynn and Mitchell looked great under Rivera, they leave and automatically become mediocre. Johnson and Hardy where a bunch of nobodies before Rivera arrived. Norman and Bene two mid-late round picks from small schools who where an after thought in the draft, Rivera was the one who coached them up, changing Luke to MLB another Rivera idea.

 

You act as if Gettleman is drafting these can't miss prospects.

[Snake]

Pretty much.

There have been moves I haven't ultimately liked (tagging Hardy being the biggest, extending Rivera being another) but when you look at the level of success we've had - especially when compared to the rest of the team's history - and where we are now vs where we were when he got here. It's pretty easy to feel positive.

Have we had that much more success? Last year really was a fluke and we did no better than a Fox coached team. The NFC South has gotten weaker and our new found success comes from that. We are still running things as if Hurney was here(low fas/draft for success), we are still letting our best players walk while not picking up players to replace them, and our team is still always the bridesmaid and never the bride.

I really do think DG is a great talent evaluator and its a good thing too because if your not smart and you operate the way this org does you don't and your the brown.

[Mr. Scot]

Ah yes it was Gettleman master plan for our division to suck and us being able to make a playoff appearance with a 7-8-1 record. And all those things you mention had nothing to do with the players and coaches its all Gettleman

 

The lack of respect you have for Rivera is mind numbing. Rivera has been in asked to make chicken salad out of chicken s**t, Munnerlynn and Mitchell looked great under Rivera, they leave and automatically become mediocre. Johnson and Hardy where a bunch of nobodies before Rivera arrived. Norman and Bene two mid-late round picks from small schools who where an after thought in the draft, Rivera was the one who coached them up, changing Luke to MLB another Rivera idea.

 

You act as if Gettleman is drafting these can't miss prospects.

 

Actually, you're acting as if all of this happened independent of the GM, which is a ridiculously dimwitted notion.

 

Rivera is a very good technique coach and game planner, but a lousy evaluator and game manager.  His depth chart decisions did a lot to hold the team back last season till injuries forced his hand.

 

So no, Rivera didn't 'save us' from Gettleman's poor choices.  You are, in fact, the only person to suggest such (likely because most people understand it's just silly).

[Mr. Scot]

Have we had that much more success? Last year really was a fluke and we did no better than a Fox coached team. The NFC South has gotten weaker and our new found success comes from that. We are still running things as if Hurney was here(low fas/draft for success), we are still letting our best players walk while not picking up players to replace them, and our team is still always the bridesmaid and never the bride.

I really do think DG is a great talent evaluator and its a good thing too because if your not smart and you operate the way this org does you don't and your the brown.

 

When was the last time we went to the playoffs back to back?

 

(hint: never)

 

And the only good player that's walking this offseason is Hardy, and there are good reasons why that's happening.

 

Other than that, the list of free agents walking is nothing special.

[GoobyPls]

Actually, you're acting as if all of this happened independent of the GM, which is a ridiculously dimwitted notion.

 

Rivera is a very good technique coach and game planner, but a lousy evaluator and game manager.  His depth chart decisions did a lot to hold the team back last season till injuries forced his hand.

 

So no, Rivera didn't 'save us' from Gettleman's poor choices.  You are, in fact, the only person to suggest such (likely because most people understand it's just silly).

 

And your acting as if Gettleman is the one behind all our success.

 

 

Rivera is a pretty bad game manger I'll give you that, but evaluator? depth chart? Oh I forgot Gettleman prize FA acquisitions Cason, Decoud, Harper helped Rivera out so much last season. What was Rivera suppose to do start Norman right away even though he was our worst corner the previous season? Throw Bene to the wolves? find a way some how to replace our premier pass rusher with a rookie DE?

[Snake]

When was the last time we went to the playoffs back to back?

(hint: never)

And the only good player that's walking this offseason is Hardy, and there are good reasons why that's happening.

Other than that, the list of free agents walking is nothing special.

When was the last time we had back to back winning seasons?

(Yup never.)

Peppers

Marshall

Wharton

Hangartner

Gamble

Shockey

Smith

Mitchell

Gross

Hardy

These are the names we let walk and still have not been able to replace became we go cheap in FA. What's the point in drafting well if you don't reload or replace the players you lose? We have still yet to have signed Can and Luke and its possible one or the other could walk as well knowing this franchises history.

[Everfrost]

When was the last time we had back to back winning seasons?

(Yup never.)

Peppers

Marshall

Wharton

Hangartner

Gamble

Shockey

Smith

Mitchell

Gross

Hardy

These are the names we let walk and still have not been able to replace became we go cheap in FA. What's the point in drafting well if you don't reload or replace the players you lose? We have still yet to have signed Can and Luke and its possible one or the other could walk as well knowing this franchises history.

Peppers = Didn't want to be here

Gamble= Retired a Panther "Guess We need a GM with access to the youth well"

Gross= Retired a Panther "See Above"

Hardy= smacked a white girl

Smith= didn't walk we cut "Replaced with KB"

Mitchell= didn't have the cash to resign cause some numb nuts gave away 1/3 of cap to rb's

 

the others never thought they where that great to begin with so meh..

[Mr. Scot]

And your acting as if Gettleman is the one behind all our success.

 

Rivera is a pretty bad game manger I'll give you that, but evaluator? depth chart? Oh I forgot Gettleman prize FA acquisitions Cason, Decoud, Harper helped Rivera out so much last season. What was Rivera suppose to do start Norman right away even though he was our worst corner the previous season? Throw Bene to the wolves? find a way some how to replace our premier pass rusher with a rookie DE?

 

The coach sets the depth chart, or didn't you know that?  (guess not)

 

Benwikere and Norman both did very well as starters.  Good grief.  Did you even watch this past season?

 

Guessing you also weren't paying attention when all of the young guys talked about how they couldn't have gotten where they were as quickly without help from a good veteran teacher, a fella by the name of Roman Harper.

 

And Cason?  He was an old charger that Rivera kept starting up to the point Gettleman cut him.

 

Like it or not, gettleman was a big part of our successes this past season.  You can spin as hard as you want trying to take credit away from him, but you're doing a lousy job (especially since it seems you don't know some basic info).

 

Face it kid.  You posted a stupid thread and numerous folks have called you out for it.  All your efforts to defend it are just making it worse.

[Mr. Scot]

When was the last time we had back to back winning seasons?

(Yup never.)

Peppers

Marshall

Wharton

Hangartner

Gamble

Shockey

Smith

Mitchell

Gross

Hardy

These are the names we let walk and still have not been able to replace became we go cheap in FA. What's the point in drafting well if you don't reload or replace the players you lose? We have still yet to have signed Can and Luke and its possible one or the other could walk as well knowing this franchises history.

 

Gross retired.  So did Wharton and Hangartner.  Gamble too after being told he wasn't coming back. 

 

Smith was let go for numerous (valid) reasons.  And Hardy, well...that story's been told.

 

Mitchell was offered a higher contract than he was worth (as the Steelers have since learned).  And the other three you mentioned were all gone before Gettleman ever got here so discussing them is pointless in current context.

 

Cam and Luke are both set to receive new contracts shortly, probably next offseason when we have more cap room (which we;ll have because our GM is refraining from making dumb decisions).

 

And drafting well is the foundation for everything else, so it's useless without that.

 

You'd be wise to remember that out current 'franchise history' is in only its third year.  Hurney doesn't work here anymore, so talking about how he ran the team is in this context, again, useless.

[London Loves Luke]

Let's play a quick game, can someone name a Young QB that's in a better situation than Cam? Luck? Kaepernick?

[GoobyPls]

The coach sets the depth chart, or didn't you know that?  (guess not)

 

Benwikere and Norman both did very well as starters.  Good grief.  Did you even watch this past season?

 

Guessing you also weren't paying attention when all of the young guys talked about how they couldn't have gotten where they were as quickly without help from a good veteran teacher, a fella by the name of Roman Harper.

 

And Cason?  He was an old charger that Rivera kept starting up to the point Gettleman cut him.

 

Like it or not, gettleman was a big part of our successes this past season.  You can spin as hard as you want trying to take credit away from him, but you're doing a lousy job (especially since it seems you don't know some basic info).

 

Face it kid.  You posted a stupid thread and numerous folks have called you out for it.  All your efforts to defend it are just making it worse.

 

I know the coach sets the depth chart and he sets it up with the talent that is available, which wasn't a lot.

 

The same Roman Harper that got a thread made about him every other week? the same Harper that gave up more big plays than any other DB.

 

Its funny how you skimmed over the part where I said Rivera had no choice but to start the guys Gettleman gave him. Norman wasn't gonna be named started after a putrid 2013 season and Bene was a rookie.

 

And like it or not Cam and Rivera have to do more with the team success than Gettleman, and has much as you dislike Rivera he's helped this team more than Gettleman that's for sure.

 

Look here boy, I'm not one of these yes-man that's gonna agree with every single move the GM is doing. or lack of moves to put it better. Its been the same way since 2011 not a single viable receiver has been signed through free agency, no trades and we have only drafted ONE WR in the first 2 rounds since Cam has been here. Its the same old story every year and I'm tired of it. Keep thinking about the future instead of present time cause that future might not include our franchise QB.

[PandaPancake]

Gross retired. So did Wharton and Hangartner. Gamble too after being told he wasn't coming back.

Smith was let go for numerous (valid) reasons. And Hardy, well...that story's been told.

Mitchell was offered a higher contract than he was worth (as the Steelers have since learned). And the other three you mentioned were all gone before Gettleman ever got here so discussing them is pointless in current context.

Cam and Luke are both set to receive new contracts shortly, probably next offseason when we have more cap room (which we;ll have because our GM is refraining from making dumb decisions).

And drafting well is the foundation for everything else, so it's useless without that.

You'd be wise to remember that out current 'franchise history' is in only its third year. Hurney doesn't work here anymore, so talking about how he ran the team is in this context, again, useless.

How dare you bring facts into this! It's already dawn so we'll have to wait until tomorrow to meet on the field of honor