Saints trade G Ben Grubbs to KC for 5th round pick

[tiger7_88]

What is absolutely baffling to me, is that this was a 7-9 team. Before all of this started, many here claimed the team was void of talent. But as soon as they cut a guy or trade an overpaid guard, hahahahaha cap hell.

I heard that he had s positive PFF grade every year he was with the Saints.

That being the case, if he was "overpaid", whose fault was that?

Maybe your GM is an idiot?

[Growl]

hey saints fan since you're not completely insane like growl could you answer this question for me:

what is the point of having a fire sale and gutting the roster if cap ramifications aren't being considered

Getting better, rather than wallowing in mediocrity year in and year out.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

A fire sale goes way being cap ramifications. The Sains are well, well under the cap for next year. This is the last year they're even close. There was a lot of talk about how management and coaching was unhappy with the players immaturity levels last year. Payton and Loomis were very upset.

This may be the beginning of a complete rebuild.

 

thanks that was informative

[O-Ther]

Lol they got under the salary cap ages ago and have been connected to numerous top flight free agents since.

The fact that you say this (and that it clearly bothers you so much lol) shows just how strongly intertwined the "cap" is to the posters of this board, that they can't conceive of an nfl team making roster moves without focusing in the THE ALL POWERFUL SALARY CAP.

Proper NFL teams don't work that way.

This is a rebuild, not some half mangled attempt to appeal to the Mighty Cap Authorities which the Huddles knows and fears so fiercely.

Edit: I think I'll post that article of that NFL cap expert and former Packers VP calling that salary cap a myth just to watch you squirm and squeal. It's pleasing to me.

 

I read that article written by Andrew Brandt that you wave around and cling to like it's the Bible

 

It talks about paying for free agents on the front end compared to the back end and how cap-strapped teams often have to pay by spreading the bonus out whereas cap-healthy teams can pay most of the contract in the first year or two to give themselves flexibility later on into the contract. We haven't had the room to do front-loading lately, but we may next year with the $30 million cap room we'll have after re-signing Cam and Luke and Josh Norman.

 

The way he describes the cap as a "myth" is about how teams will blame the cap when releasing certain players when they really are doing it for other reasons, not that the cap is a lie that the fans have been fed.

 

And Brandt hasn't worked in an NFL front office since Feb 2011 when he joined ESPN. He has no experience with the newest CBA since that came in August of 2011, so I wouldn't hold his past experience as highly as you seem to.

 

[Growl]

As has been well documented on this forum, no good NFL team has an abundance of salary cap space. The Saints, like most well ran NFL teams, aren't concerned with trying to get a "high cap number" as the Panthers are so focused on doing. The key to success is contorting the cap (incredibly easy to do) so that it's invested on players who fit what you want to do. The Saints are moving "cap space" from aging, ineffective players, to fresher, better players, and it's going to significantly cut down on their rebuild time, rather than a painstaking 5 year journey of waiting for some players to get old and retire and then beginning the process of going "all in."

You're likely going to see them rebound within just a couple seasons.

Fortune favors the bold, and the Panthers are stuck trying to do it "the right way."

[Growl]

I read that article written by Andrew Brandt that you wave around and cling to like it's the Bible

It talks about paying for free agents on the front end compared to the back end and how cap-strapped teams often have to pay by spreading the bonus out whereas cap-healthy teams can pay most of the contract in the first year or two to give themselves flexibility later on into the contract. We haven't had the room to do front-loading lately, but we may next year with the $30 million cap room we'll have after re-signing Cam and Luke and Josh Norman.

The way he describes the cap as a "myth" is about how teams will blame the cap when releasing certain players when they really are doing it for other reasons, not that the cap is a lie that the fans have been fed.

And Brandt hasn't worked in an NFL front office since Feb 2011 when he joined ESPN. He has no experience with the newest CBA since that came in August of 2011, so I wouldn't hold his past experience as highly as you seem to.

See my post above. Nobody is saying that the NFL doesn't have a salary cap in place that you have to be mindful of. What is being said, both in that article and elsewhere, is the ease of which you can arrange money around makes the cap a "false cap"

One of the examples he mentioned was backloading contracts, which is a scary word on Carolina Huddle because it's *gasp* what Hurney did, but it's a fairly common and effective tool around the league. Hurney did it with aging, decking players like Jake and Deangelo. New Orleans just recently did it with 25/26 year old junior gallette who is just entering his prime, and there is a significant difference.

I'd argue the huddle's biggest issue is that in people's simplicity they simply broadbrush every issue and ignore the minutia of these methods as a whole.

Wait until the next time ESPN offers up a glorious outdated cliche on a matter of X and O's and you'll find that same sentiment on this board within the hour and tossed into every thread for the next six years for good measure.

[ctrcat]

How can they bring back Brees after doing these things? How?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

I heard that he had s positive PFF grade every year he was with the Saints.

That being the case, if he was "overpaid", whose fault was that?

Maybe your GM is an idiot?

 

he graded just barely into the red in 2014, like -0.2.  2012 and 2013 were both good years and well into the green.

 

[gettlemanjack]

Saints columnist for The Times-Picayune Larry Holder @ LarryHolder

19m

I honestly didn't think Ben Grubbs was tradable at that price. A fifth-round pick isn't too bad.

[gettlemanjack]

Pro Football Focus:

"Ben Grubbs had one of his worst years in 2014 as the Saints struggled, earning a -0.2 grade. Still it’s telling that most Chiefs linemen last year would have killed to get close to that grade."

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/03/12/2015-free-agency-live-blog-day-3/

[saints4life25]

I heard that he had s positive PFF grade every year he was with the Saints.

That being the case, if he was "overpaid", whose fault was that?

Maybe your GM is an idiot?

PFF is a joke.

Maybe so. From now on, any GM that gives a guy a bad contract is an idiot! Here it has been said! So it shall be written!

[Nick_81]

I wish Gettleman had all of this cap knowledge that Growl possesses.  If he had a clue, we could be scoring all kinds of value FA's that fit our need. I can't believe we hired a GM that isn't aware of this information.  Doesn't surprise me though, he's been involved in some very unsuccessful franchises throughout his career.  Probably why he's clueless...

[O-Ther]

I wish Gettleman had all of this cap knowledge that Growl possesses.  If he had a clue, we could be scoring all kinds of value FA's that fit our need. I can't believe we hired a GM that isn't aware of this information.  Doesn't surprise me though, he's been involved in some very unsuccessful franchises throughout his career.  Probably why he's clueless...

 

I'm not feeding that troll. He's here to get attention, not have a debate or even any fun, so shut him down and ignore him.

[Nick_81]

I'm not feeding that troll. He's here to get attention, not have a debate or even any fun, so shut him down and ignore him.

But how can we just ignore that much unadulterated cap knowledge?  This is something we need to embrace.  We need to be lobbying for this information to make it up to our current GM, because he has no idea how it works.  There's someone among us, that has the answers.  Although they won't tell us what they are, they have the answers.  Those need to be passed along to the people in charge.