2012-14 free agency big name signings from 'top teams'

[Growl]

You'd definitely be able to. I think what some people are mixing up are the teams that go out and spend way too much and try to build through the FA (Bucs, Dolphins, etc.) rather than those who make a few decent signings each year that pay off.

There's still talent available but I can see how the direction we've gone so far at WR and OT is getting to people. Just gotta let it play out. I still have a feeling we grab a guy that warrants more than a 2-year fluff contract.

This is an excellent post. People can't differentiate, whether out of ignorance or intentionally, between what teams like Tampa and Jacksonville do and what teams like Denver and New England do. There is a difference in their approach, but this board whitewashes the philosophy as a whole as "Dis Ain't Madden durr"

[davos]

I'm not even that disappointed about OT since I get there isn't a lot of options in FA.  Oher is a nice risk sign, it could pan out.   

 

However, we've completely blanked on the WR front and that is a huge need.  

 

Ginn at least should fix a problem.  

 

I'm fine with Oher as a swing tackle. If they're looking for a future LT and like Remmers at RT as it seems, it makes sense they'd rather wait on that until draft day or the FA beyond than overpaying for these FA RTs like Barksdale, Newton, Free, etc.

[KSpan]

You'd definitely be able to.  I think what some people are mixing up are the teams that go out and spend way too much and try to build through the FA (Bucs, Dolphins, etc.) rather than those who make a few decent signings each year that pay off.  

 

There's still talent available but I can see how the direction we've gone so far at WR and OT is getting to people.  Just gotta let it play out.  I still have a feeling we grab a guy that warrants more than a 2-year fluff contract.   

 

This is my exact point, but what's forgotten are the years that these teams spent judiciously putting themselves in position to operate in the manner you describe (e.g. 2012).  Carolina is currently walking that path and well on their way to getting there, and spending large money on single players without the resumes of those often picked up by the top-tier teams will only delay the process.

[PanthersBigD]

Who is out there(that's worth the money they're asking) that we're completely ignoring??? 

[Pox 08]

Who is out there(that's worth the money they're asking) that we're completely ignoring??? 

 

How do you know what every FA is asking for?

 

  Do you believe every third and fourth tier WR is expecting $6M-$8M a year?

[PanthersBigD]

How do you know what every FA is asking for?

 

  Do you believe every third and fourth tier WR is expecting $6M-$8M a year?

 

We don't, but why try to compete in the frenzy with teams that don't control their spending? History has shown us that  a lot of teams wildly overpay in the first couple of days of FA, and what player wouldn't want to capitalize on this? Why not wait a day or two until the frenzy dies down, and guys start to re-calibrate their expectations salary-wise?

 

Do we really need another 3rd-4th tier receiver? I say no, we need a solid #2, which I think will come through the draft.

 

Just because we haven't made a flashy signing doesn't mean the FO isn't doing their due diligence on available FAs. 

 

Sure the Seahawks got Jimmy Graham, but they were only able to pull that off because they were able to win 8 of 10 games playing three different guys at Center when Max Unger went down, and knew they could live without him. Who on our team with that kind of value would you be willing to trade and for who?

 

If we were seeing a bunch of reasonable signings at positions of need happening all around us right now, I might be frustrated, but right now, nothing like that is happening. 

[Mol3m4n]

Don't lump me in with them. I don't like big money free agents.

I was thinking "what is he talking about"?

[Mol3m4n]

If you people will just wait one fuging year, we CAN sign free agents.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

[Growl]

hey kspan we want to know why you skipped some years, you havent answered us yet, why is that?

[KSpan]

hey kspan we want to know why you skipped some years, you havent answered us yet, why is that?

2013 and 2014 are up, though no draft picks due to time, and they do nothing to disprove my premise.

[Growl]

and they do nothing to disprove my premise.

all this statement suggests is severe psychological delusions

[KSpan]

all this statement suggests is severe psychological delusions

If you can't tell the difference between the state of those teams and the current state of the Panthers, let alone the past 2 offseasons, then there's nothing else to be said. Davos made a great point earlier in this thread about strategic FA pickups, and blowing the bankroll on mediocre talent on the first day of FA just because they have a 'need' isn't something that winning teams do. Pretty clear that you have your own opinion and I mine, so I guess that's that, but I do think you'll be surprised by what you find if you actually look at those databases.

[Growl]

If you can't tell the difference between the state of those teams and the current state of the Panthers, let alone the past 2 offseasons, then there's nothing else to be said. Davos made a great point earlier in this thread about strategic FA pickups, and blowing the bankroll on mediocre talent on the first day of FA just because they have a 'need' isn't something that winning teams do. Pretty clear that you have your own opinion and I mine, so I guess that's that, but I do think you'll be surprised by what you find if you actually look at those databases.

In addition to the fact that that list is embarrassing (lol at putting down hakeem nicks but conveniently forgetting players like Emmanuel sanders ((and countless others)) , yes, what a diviner of true rational wisdom you are) it's amusing that you're comparing the panthers of last year with teams that have made it to their conference's respective championship games and beyond as if there is no difference.

Ironic really. For a thread that tries to paint itself as one of "level-headed straight shooter" knowledge, it sure does reek of not only homerish amateurism aimed at the same predictable"hurr durr it's not madden!!" vein of thinking rather than an actual analysis of teams who spent, who they spent on, and how it correlates to their success.

The fact that you've compiled a list of the likes of Darrelle Revis and hometown favorite hakeem nicks and are seemingly ignorant of the countless quality players who went and contributed to good teams suggests one thing and one thing alone: you need to expand your horizon on what makes a good nfl player. This isn't madden, bro.

[Mol3m4n]

In addition to the fact that that list is embarrassing (lol at putting down hakeem nicks but conveniently forgetting players like Emmanuel sanders ((and countless others)) , yes, what a diviner of true rational wisdom you are) it's amusing that you're comparing the panthers of last year with teams that have made it to their conference's respective championship games and beyond as if there is no difference.

Ironic really. For a thread that tries to paint itself as one of "level-headed straight shooter" knowledge, it sure does reek of not only homerish amateurism aimed at the same predictable"hurr durr it's not madden!!" vein of thinking rather than an actual analysis of teams who spent, who they spent on, and how it correlates to their success.

The fact that you've compiled a list of the likes of Darrelle Revis and hometown favorite hakeem nicks and are seemingly ignorant of the countless quality players who went and contributed to good teams suggests one thing and one thing alone: you need to expand your horizon on what makes a good nfl player. This isn't madden, bro.

Please give us your own list as rebuttal. Instead of disagreeing with everything, just do some work and show us proof. All I'm seeing is "you're wrong because reasons".