Some stats and numbers that show Gettleman is wrong for not pursuing a top flight WR.

[Rags]

So you want players to come here that are chasing money? And no Kenny Britt went to the Rams to re establish his career. Cecil Shorts would come here at a song to get out of Jacksonville... Explain why Sanders 'a big money' guy signed with manning was that running to the $$$?

 

 

3 years 18 million with 6 million guaranteed after turning down a bigger offer from the cheis is not chasing the $$.

 

A non-big name WR trying to get into a better situation is not a WR chasing $$$.

 

 

You missed the entire point. Nice job.

[SwagAces9030]

Ok, and signs point to us drafting D line or O line. Who is left in FA that fits that mold? Maclin is gone, Torrey is gone, Cobbis gone, who else?

 

Cecil Shorts route running, Ted Ginn speed there ya go... WR's are a dime a dozen, you can find fast burners, and hands late in drafts... (Philly Brown was undrafted and is going to be huge for us this year)

[shreddingdefense]

Ok, maybe im just bad at math but how does a 40 plus mill contract at 7 or 8 mill a year break the bank and make us nit able to sign Cam or Keek?' Keep in mind, i am NOT advocating paying 80-100 mill for one player, the Phins went full retard. Paying that money for Suh.

All Im saying is a 7-8 million a year for a WR like Torrey Smith isnt something thats going to set your franchise back, its a very reasonable price

 

We are just getting out of cap hell. Say cam newton demands 15 mil per year next year, plus we look to extend luke that same year. Yes 7-8 mill could have a bigger impact than we realise. I don't know how accurate these dumbers are but i see that we are under the cap by 17 mill roughly. We would have only 9-10 mill if we signed that guy. Not only that but we need to sign other players..such as rookies and maybe another player or 2 to replace hardy..So with that being said..we wouldn't have enough to extend cam to that 15 per year. Same goes for luke. So yes that 7-8 mll contract will cause problems.  Puting us back in cap hell.

[SwagAces9030]

3 years 18 million with 6 million guaranteed after turning down a bigger offer from the cheis is not chasing the $$.

 

A non-big name WR trying to get into a better situation is not a WR chasing $$$.

 

 

You missed the entire point. Nice job.

 

The initial post put him in his big money FA wr's... maybe the OP should post contract values next time. Why don't you explain to me the entire point of this post? Our GM is in cap hell were gonna have to shell out money for Cam, and Luke eventually... But yet no teams who signed big WR's won ****... I don't see Sanders really in a better spot when you put yourself behind Thomas, with a QB who's retiring next offseason...

[Mr. Scot]

But seriously, explain it to me. Since when is signing a solid WR to a 40 mill contract bad?! We arent talking a Suh level contract here

 

When it prevents you from signing quality players at other positions.

 

Heck, part of the reason why we have so little room under the cap is because our prior GM handed out a bunch of big contracts like you're suggesting we do.

 

It's a team sport.  You have to build a 53 man roster plus a practice squad and room for guys on IR.  Eleven starting players on offense, eleven starters on defense, special teamers, backups, etc.  And we have to fit them all under a hard salary cap.

 

At the moment, we have maybe about 15 million under the cap, needs at two or three positions, we'll have draft picks to sign down the road, and you want us to throw 10 million of the available cap at one player?  Seriously?

 

Good grief, dude!

[CardiacCat87]

Gee i wonder why that happens.

 

i wonder why The Teams That Over Paid for One big Name FA (At other positions too, not just WR) seem to Consistently Miss The Playoffs.

 

It's a mystery. 

 

This. Look at Suh to Miami and McCoy to Buffalo for example. Don't be surprised when one or both of those teams suck next year.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

We are just getting out of cap hell. Say cam newton demands 15 mil per year next year, plus we look to extend luke that same year. Yes 7-8 mill could have a bigger impact than we realise. I don't know how accurate these dumbers are but i see that we are under the cap by 17 mill roughly. We would have only 9-10 mill if we signed that guy. Not only that but we need to sign other players..such as rookies and maybe another player or 2 to replace hardy..So with that being said..we wouldn't have enough to extend cam to that 15 per year. Same goes for luke. So yes that 7-8 mll contract will cause problems.  Puting us back in cap hell.

 

this is the point i'm trying to make, except i think $15 million per for cam would be the steal of the century.  i think he's going to get north of $20 million when it's all said and done.

 

the wrong move or a bad contract could imperil our ability to retain him and luke.  it has to be emphasized that that's not the same thing as handing eye popping contracts to the likes of james anderson, deangelo williams, jonathan stewart, etc - cam is a franchise quarterback and luke is an elite player and likely the best at his position in the NFL.

 

if we max out the cap this season we'd also have to consider making charles johnson and thomas davis june 1st cuts because if they're extended (something that could happen soon) that would raise their cap figures down the road and make it harder to have it all fit together.

 

it's going to be another season of moneyball with the panthers possibly going after some marginally higher profile guys.  after that who knows.

[Mr. Scot]

this is the point i'm trying to make, except i think $15 million per for cam would be the steal of the century.  i think he's going to get north of $20 million when it's all said and done.

 

the wrong move or a bad contract could imperil our ability to retain him and luke.  it has to be emphasized that that's not the same thing as handing eye popping contracts to the likes of james anderson, deangelo williams, jonathan stewart, etc - cam is a franchise quarterback and luke is an elite player and likely the best at his position in the NFL.

 

if we max out the cap this season we'd also have to consider making charles johnson and thomas davis june 1st cuts because if they're extended (something that could happen soon) that would raise their cap figures down the road and make it harder to have it all fit together.

 

it's going to be another season of moneyball with the panthers possibly going after some marginally higher profile guys.  after that who knows.

 

if you wanna be successful, you need a guy in charge who truly understands where the value of players and positions lies.

 

Hurney was not that guy.

 

So far, it looks like Gettleman might just be.

[O-Ther]

Just because we have $17 million in cap space doesn't mean we should go out and blow it giving Torrey Smith or Maclin or Cobb $17 million this year. We still need $5 million to sign the draft picks and a $7 million slush fund to sign free agents (like Chris Ogbannaya) during the season if injuries hit or someone gets suspended in addition to moving around different guys on our practice squad. The $7 million we set aside last year was down to $4.5 million by season's end and it rolled over to this year to give us more room in 2015.

 

Throw in what we spent on Michael Oher and we have maybe $3 or $4 million left.

[Zaximus]

With shula calling plays it probably doesn't matter. But I find it funny how our coaches admitted we needed speed early on and now just don't seen to care again. The glass man philly brown isn't that answer. We need a signing and a draft pick to build around cam.

[pantherclaw]

Didn't help.any of those franchises earn a championship.

End game.

[top dawg]

People need to stop acting like everything is so black and white, and, frankly, stop being so dismissive of other people's theories and opinions addressing them with generalities and red herrings. Team building is a fluid process that does require making a splash in FA sometimes.  Where the OP may have erred in his thinking is that we just don't have the situation or the money right now to overspend on a big name free agent wide receiver (or otherwise).  If we ever do, that doesn't mean that we are the 'Skins, the Bucs or Browns. Gettleman is trying to get the cap in what he considers a healthy position.  This is one of his main priorities right now.  That being said, once he achieves this goal he may just decide to make a splash on a free agent receiver if he deems that the situation warrants it. In a perfect world, of course you try to build your core team through the draft, but this doesn't ALWAYS work out, no matter what anyone says. Moreover, sometimes you may be close to getting over the hump, and by signing that one big name receiver, you will finally attain glory.  But, it all  depends on your financial status, the needs of the team, and how you structure the contract as well.

 

Bill Belichick, one of the more frugal execs you'll ever see, spent money (albeit at somewhat of a discount) to bring in Randy Moss and damned near won a championship.  Guess what? The Pats dropped Moss that coming season and continued to roll on like nothing ever happened.  The Ravens acquired Anquan Boldin and did win a championship.  They even signed Steve Smith with good results last year.  They didn't necessarily overspend in either situation, but they weren't cheap either.  Moreover, they lost a big name receiver and replaced him with another big name receiver when they figured things weren't working out. That is the best option sometimes also.

 

Like I said, the preferred way is to build through the draft, but sometimes poo happens. Sometimes circumstances call for more.  One thing about it: the spending on our receivers is out of line, and it showed during the last couple of seasons as we exited the playoffs.  We are going to have to spend some more money if we plan to compete for championships.

 

[PhillyB]

pantherunited has to be the alt of some dumb kid that shitposted himself into infamy at one point and needed a fresh start but still can't help but poop his huddle pants all over the place.

 

if it weren't for the lack of beaver cleaver catch phrases i'd put my money on trucatzfan

[CelticCat]

All Im saying is a 7-8 million a year for a WR like Torrey Smith isnt something thats going to set your franchise back, its a very reasonable price

 

You think 8 mill a year for Torrey Smith is reasonable? You want to pay 8 mill a year for a guy that averages about 800 yards a season?

 

We got 500 out of Ted Ginn for about 1 mill. For 8 mill you better have more in your arsenal than deep speed.