QB pay transitioning?

[L-TownCat]

Didn't the owners and NFL do just that with rookie salary caps?

 

No its a cap, protecting the investors from an unsustainable increase in price for unproven and often defective investments.

 

See Sam Bradford and Jamarcus Russell.

 

The new rookies are made to prove over a short but reasonable amount of time that they in fact do deserve the mega millions awarded to those that pan out rather than ruining a teams salary situation with terrible contracts for bad players that could not transition from college to pro.

 

See Russell Wilson/Cam Newton/Andrew Luck

[pstall]

See that's the issue, what is fair? A guy who is responsible for almost everything offensively a team does making the same as a guy who's job it is to "manage" another?

If you go off percentage of offense, then Cam would be the highest paid QB in the league. If you go off wins, then Russell Wilson should. If you go off passing yards then Luck would be the highest paid of the three.

Only thing that's fair is what the other QB's recently signed have made. For Peyton , Brady contracts are ecliped by the Matt Ryan, Stafford, Romo, Cutler , Brees, Flacco and (upcomming, Luck and Wilson) contracts. The going rate for a franchise QB is 20 mill give or take. End of story.

Saying outside endorsements factor is like saying, you just got a large insurance settlement, you boss should pay you less money at work. One has nothing to do with the other. Contracts are business deals. The Carolina Panthers make a lot more than 20 mill off of Cam Newton than Cam Newton makes of of Cam Newton in a year. In fact, the past 4 years it's been hugely tilted in the teams favor.

Fair may not be the best way to look at this.

Comparable sure. All those factors are considered but then it becomes hair splitting.

The team will or should at least benefit more than the individual. JR did come out of pocket and invested and took on known risks and has been compensated accordingly.

And I'm no Richardson apologist.

[Udogg]

Fair may not be the best way to look at this.

Comparable sure. All those factors are considered but then it becomes hair splitting.

The team will or should at least benefit more than the individual. JR did come out of pocket and invested and took on known risks and has been compensated accordingly.

And I'm no Richardson apologist.

 

And I appreciate JR for doing so   I own a business so I am all for owners making a profit.

 

But from Cam's perspective.. a football player with at least 1 pro bowl @ QB is going to have a roughly 11 year career. JR or whomever owns JR's team will make money as long as they own the team.  A lot of people as fans say things like 20 Mill a year is 2 much.  This makes me kick a baby seal.

 

The team benefiting more than an individual is one thing.  However the product is the players.  The salary cap is a "SELF IMPOSED" spending limit by the owners.  It's a system put in place to keep teams from spending more than other teams under the pretense of competition.   There was a reason the owners were adamant about not going to arbitration and not opening the "books".   Cam has been making JR waaaaaaaayyyy more than 20 mill per year.  Factor in the increased visibility that Cam brings his actual contribution to the Panthers far exceeds his salary.   Factor in that he has been making less than 5 mill the past 4 years the scales have been firmly entrenched in the Richardson camp.

 

Also the salary cap is at around 50 % of NFL "on the books" income.  So it comes up to about 4.5 bill for the players and 4.5 bill for the owners.  So JR is making bare minimal 143 mill a year.  Not counting the other stuff .. parking, local marketing, local sponsorships etc.  Also factor to that , the Panthers are doing nothing but going up in price. 

 

I think if anything the owners are making out like Bandits.  I just want Cam to be payed fairly.  Jonathan Stewart has made more than Cam in the last 2 years than Cam in has in his career.  Hell Jamarcus Russell has made more than Cam..... ok that's picking an extreme to make a point.   Jamarcus Russell has made more than a lot of good players.

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And I appreciate JR for doing so I own a business so I am all for owners making a profit.

The sport has nearly 70 people and that's not including stadium and field crew and such to pay.

The salary cap was championed by small market teams to stay competitive

Hence the advent of parity.

Cam helps make the team money. No shocker there.

Like i said fair is a tough thing to quantify when we don't know how a team measures or values a position(s).

How long a team owner makes money is irrelevant. Aren't you suppose to make money when you invest and take on risk and liabilities? Otherwise what's the point.

Back to pay. With the Moneyball aspect going on and teams trying to maximize money vs return on players is tough.

I don't know what Cam will get paid

He will be doing quite well no matter the range and I'm sure will survive. Lots of creative accounting will happen to keep guys happy and still be competitive.

But from Cam's perspective.. a football player with at least 1 pro bowl @ QB is going to have a roughly 11 year career. JR or whomever owns JR's team will make money as long as they own the team. A lot of people as fans say things like 20 Mill a year is 2 much. This makes me kick a baby seal.

The team benefiting more than an individual is one thing. However the product is the players. The salary cap is a "SELF IMPOSED" spending limit by the owners. It's a system put in place to keep teams from spending more than other teams under the pretense of competition. There was a reason the owners were adamant about not going to arbitration and not opening the "books". Cam has been making JR waaaaaaaayyyy more than 20 mill per year. Factor in the increased visibility that Cam brings his actual contribution to the Panthers far exceeds his salary. Factor in that he has been making less than 5 mill the past 4 years the scales have been firmly entrenched in the Richardson camp.

Also the salary cap is at around 50 % of NFL "on the books" income. So it comes up to about 4.5 bill for the players and 4.5 bill for the owners. So JR is making bare minimal 143 mill a year. Not counting the other stuff .. parking, local marketing, local sponsorships etc. Also factor to that , the Panthers are doing nothing but going up in price.

I think if anything the owners are making out like Bandits. I just want Cam to be payed fairly. Jonathan Stewart has made more than Cam in the last 2 years than Cam in has in his career. Hell Jamarcus Russell has made more than Cam..... ok that's picking an extreme to make a point. Jamarcus Russell has made more than a lot of good players.

[Moorgan]

You're clueless if you think he took a paycut. Maybe he realized that he's replaceable in Billicheck's system and getting old so he didn't go after the 20+mill. NE didn't win the superbowl because of brady.

Also, players don't take paycut beause their wife is make money. The Owner they play for are already billionaires and still getting their big cuts without a paycut. Fans are so delusional. Sports is a free for all business. Everybody try to get their chunks before they get out.

Was that even English? I had a hard time following it. If you're trying to say that every player is out to maximize for every dollar because it's business and the owners are already rich you really haven't thought about this. But I won't go any further. I made my point throughout the thread. I don't need to explain further.

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[PantherFanOne]

No matter what price we have to pay Cam Newton to re-sign,i will breath a sigh of relief when it's a done deal.

[stirs]

let's just cut to the chase

 

cam is going to get a big contract and stirs will cry

 

True

 

I whined when we gave Delhomme that last 2 yr deal, thought we paid too much for Kalil, went nuts when all the "double trouble" money was being handed out, etc.

 

It is in my nature to want to pay a fair market value for any player, not to overpay, thereby thinking my "package" has just increased along with one of the players on my teams salary