QB pay transitioning?

[Udogg]

Cam isn't hurting in the endorsement market so maybe he just want something fair. That's all we can hope for at this point.

 

See that's the issue,  what is fair?  A guy who is responsible for almost everything offensively a team does making the same as a guy who's job it is to "manage" another?    

 

If you go off percentage of offense, then Cam would be the highest paid QB in the league. If you go off wins, then Russell Wilson should.  If you go off passing yards then Luck would be the highest paid of the three. 

 

Only thing that's fair is what the other  QB's recently signed have made.  For Peyton , Brady contracts are ecliped by the   Matt Ryan, Stafford, Romo, Cutler , Brees, Flacco and (upcomming, Luck and Wilson) contracts.  The going rate for a franchise QB is 20 mill give or take.   End of story. 

 

Saying outside endorsements factor is like saying, you just got a large insurance settlement, you boss should pay you less money at work.   One has nothing to do with the other.   Contracts are business deals.  The Carolina Panthers make a lot more than 20 mill off of Cam Newton than Cam Newton makes of of Cam Newton in a year.  In fact, the past 4 years it's been hugely tilted in the teams favor.

[tiger7_88]

With 4 time SB winner Tom Brady being middle of the pack as far as QB play and with Peyton Manning taking a big paycut, are teams finally getting the notion that they have been overpaying for guys like Matty Ice and others?

 

Are they understanding that without a team that at least has a few other stars, their chances are not good for making the big game?

 

Not sure, but this will be an interesting offseason.

 

 

Much more subtle than usual.

 

Well done!

[Moorgan]

See that's the issue, what is fair? A guy who is responsible for almost everything offensively a team does making the same as a guy who's job it is to "manage" another?

If you go off percentage of offense, then Cam would be the highest paid QB in the league. If you go off wins, then Russell Wilson should. If you go off passing yards then Luck would be the highest paid of the three.

Only thing that's fair is what the other QB's recently signed have made. For Peyton , Brady contracts are ecliped by the Matt Ryan, Stafford, Romo, Cutler , Brees, Flacco and (upcomming, Luck and Wilson) contracts. The going rate for a franchise QB is 20 mill give or take. End of story.

Saying outside endorsements factor is like saying, you just got a large insurance settlement, you boss should pay you less money at work. One has nothing to do with the other. Contracts are business deals. The Carolina Panthers make a lot more than 20 mill off of Cam Newton than Cam Newton makes of of Cam Newton in a year. In fact, the past 4 years it's been hugely tilted in the teams favor.

That's a good point but it's not quite true in my opinion. To use your analogy it's more like you get a big settlement and telling your boss that you want him to pay you less so he can hire more or better people to help in the office.

The team shouldn't demand Cam take less so we win more but Cam can make that decision himself. I would love for him to go the team friendly route but I will have no issue whatsoever if he breaks the bank. None.

[TheRed]

Much more subtle than usual.

 

Well done!

 

I don't know why he bothers to tap dance around his painfully obvious agenda anymore.

 

He hasn't liked Newton since before we even drafted him. Here we are 4 years later. Nothing has changed.

 

What kind of miserable person does one have to be to harbor disdain for a player on their own team for no reason?

 

All Cam has done since then is make this team competitive and bring new life back to our franchise while proving doubters wrong. Yet somehow that still isn't enough. Plain and simple, some of these troglodytes do not deserve to witness a successful franchise.

[L-TownCat]

See that's the issue,  what is fair?  A guy who is responsible for almost everything offensively a team does making the same as a guy who's job it is to "manage" another?    

 

If you go off percentage of offense, then Cam would be the highest paid QB in the league. If you go off wins, then Russell Wilson should.  If you go off passing yards then Luck would be the highest paid of the three. 

 

Only thing that's fair is what the other  QB's recently signed have made.  For Peyton , Brady contracts are ecliped by the   Matt Ryan, Stafford, Romo, Cutler , Brees, Flacco and (upcomming, Luck and Wilson) contracts.  The going rate for a franchise QB is 20 mill give or take.   End of story. 

 

Saying outside endorsements factor is like saying, you just got a large insurance settlement, you boss should pay you less money at work.   One has nothing to do with the other.   Contracts are business deals.  The Carolina Panthers make a lot more than 20 mill off of Cam Newton than Cam Newton makes of of Cam Newton in a year.  In fact, the past 4 years it's been hugely tilted in the teams favor.

 

Fair might mean he takes less money but gets more weapons therefore reducing his role in the overall production of the offense as a whole?  Which would thereby reduce his stance that he is the entire offense.  Its all guess work right now anyway.

[ThPantherFan]

Cam isn't hurting in the endorsement market so maybe he just want something fair. That's all we can hope for at this point.

 

A lot don't look at the wealth of any sports figure because of their endorsements.  Many are astounded at the money a player makes for playing 16+ games a year (or 1 game as the case for Hardy).  Most players earn their pay because of the demand on their body for 4 to 10 years.  The trend in football, as I see it, is to load a QB up with lucrative deals so they will have a key person for years to come.  The downside to this is, without a good line or able receivers, the QB isn't crap. 

 

Loading up one player (does Cutler sound familiar) with most of the cap money hurts the team as a whole.  I would love to see the NFL teams start looking at the team as a complete unit and not just one or two players.  Most of the linemen that protect the QB makes a 10th of what the QB makes.  They need a bigger piece of the pie.  The receivers that make the fantastic catches is mainly due to the QB having time to throw the ball because the foundation of the team (linemen) did their job giving the QB time. 

 

Can't leave out the defensive side of the ball either.  If those linemen (lowly paid most of the time) didn't do their job the higher paid defensive backs, etc. couldn't do their jobs either.  I'm all for QB pay transitions but other positions on the team as well.

 

[rmoneyg35]

I never understood why the NFL teams don't come together and refuse to pay high amounts for players. Eventually players would have to play for less or not play in the NFL.

[L-TownCat]

I never understood why the NFL teams don't come together and refuse to pay high amounts for players. Eventually players would have to play for less or not play in the NFL.

 

You just described price fixing or collusion.  Basically an illegal act.  You would get a player strike before that ever happened. 

[Hawk]

I have a funny feeling that Wilson's new deal will be setting new precedents to how big contracts will work...not sure the details just yet....but I think his contract will be one that benefits both him and the team greatly.

[dos poptarts]

I don't think so. The main reason, in my opinion, that Tom Brady has taken team friendly deals is because his wife makes more than him by a large margin. He realizes that the money he saves the team directly impacts their ability to win and the difference in him being paid more is not worth it because his supermodel wife is so insanely rich.

Manning on the other hand has a huge amount in endorsements (the most of any player I believe) so again the difference of money is less important than winning.

The other QBs have less of a cushion than they and therefore "need" the money. And winning in this league starts with the QB. Granted that perhaps a little too much focus is on the QB but it can't really be argued that by individual position the QB is the most important. In my opinion.

 

Agree to a point. Each of these franchise QBs make a lot of money locally (commercials, etc). What's the point of Tom trying to get an extra $2-3M from the Pats org, when they can easily setup an endorsement to make up the difference. There was an article long time ago about Troy Brown (I think, or a different Pats player) that he turned down bigger contracts from other teams, because local endorsements actually made him more money as a Patriot. (the writer thought this should be investigated by the NFL if this was a way to circumvent the NFL salary cap).

 

[Moorgan]

Agree to a point. Each of these franchise QBs make a lot of money locally (commercials, etc). What's the point of Tom trying to get an extra $2-3M from the Pats org, when they can easily setup an endorsement to make up the difference. There was an article long time ago about Troy Brown (I think, or a different Pats player) that he turned down bigger contracts from other teams, because local endorsements actually made him more money as a Patriot. (the writer thought this should be investigated by the NFL if this was a way to circumvent the NFL salary cap).

So you're saying that most QBs don't "need" more money because of local deals? I hadn't heard that. It makes sense and I've often wondered if there aren't ways to get around the cap like that. As soon as I saw Jake Dehlomme pimping Bojangles I thought that's a way to pay him without actually paying him.

Until the league tries to stop it I'm all for it. I want Cam forever and I want the team to not be crippled by his contract (which I don't think we will be).

But if most QBs are getting this benefit, why do some take the cap friendly deal? I default to my original position.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

let's just cut to the chase

 

cam is going to get a big contract and stirs will cry

[CarolinaNCSU]

No clue if he'd agree to it, but at this point I'd like to see Cam's contract in the 20-22 million range (it's happening regardless), and if he wants more, make the extra money incentive based. Make the Pro Bowl (or All-Pro team since Pro Bowl is silly), add a million. Make the playoffs, add a million. Win the Super Bowl, add a couple million. Basically, pay him a nice chunk of change and the going rate, but make it so his incentives can benefit all involved while making him the highest paid QB that year (if he and the team plays like it)

 

Don't know how it would work specifically, but I know on Peyton's restructure, the pay cut of 4 million...all reverts back to him if they win the Super Bowl. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

You just described price fixing or collusion.  Basically an illegal act.  You would get a player strike before that ever happened. 

Didn't the owners and NFL do just that with rookie salary caps?