Trent Cole makes a lot of sense.

[4Corners]

He does not make sense here

[mario]

LOL why people are saying he's a 34 OLB? He's been one of the best DE in the NFL his whole career playing in a 43. Eagles have only been playing 34 under Chip, hence why he's regressed lately (+age).

[O-Ther]

Didn't this guy annihilate us on national tv

 

Two words: David Foucault

 

Two more words: Nate Chandler

 

Trent should give them a 5% commission from his next contract for making him look so good

 

[PhillyB]

Philly, I really thought you knew your football. You disappointed me.

Can the man play with his hand in the dirt? Really. Like really.

 

i mean i'm sure he can juggle three bags of dicks at the same time but the point is he probably can't do it as well as he can stand up as a 3-4 DE/OLB

[PhillyB]

i don't watch eagles games unless they're on primetime but i'm fairly sure this is a fairly common lineup for cole in that defense. i have a huge eagles fan at my work that i talk football with on a regular basis so i'll run it by him

 

 

 

[electro's horse]

Yea probably not.

I mean he only made a living at DE most of his career.

You guys are ridiculously dumb.

Yeah but he was never really a traditional DE like Carolina has been using for the past 15 years. He was playing the Wide 9 for a lot of it when they had Jason Babin, and was always lining up wider than usual as well.

 

Like he wasn't playing the 5 or 6 technique, he was playing the 9, even after they got rid of reid and everyone. 

 

For example, look how wide they are here. They have their hands in the ground but they have absolutely no gap or run responsibility. 

 

 

So to say nothing of his age, he's not suited for an every down role in Carolina. 

[mario]

Yeah but he was never really a traditional DE like Carolina has been using for the past 15 years. He was playing the Wide 9 for a lot of it when they had Jason Babin, and was always lining up wider than usual as well.

 

Like he wasn't playing the 5 or 6 technique, he was playing the 9, even after they got rid of reid and everyone. 

 

For example, look how wide they are here. They have their hands in the ground but they have absolutely no gap or run responsibility. 

 

 

So to say nothing of his age, he's not suited for an every down role in Carolina. 

 

The wide 9 arrived at Philly in 2011 with DL coach Jim Washburn (former DL Titans coach, that's why they got Babin that same year). The wide 9 lasted only 2 years before they switched to a 34 defense with Chip Kelly. 

 

Cole got drafted in 2005: from that point until 2011 (6 years) he got 57 sacks in a traditional 43 defense. For god's sake he was coached in some of those years by McDermott!

[electro's horse]

Like you said, he played under McDermott. If he somehow ended here why would McD not use him like in Philly?

Anyway, I can't see him coming here. I'm just pointing out to you and others that he KNOWS how to play DE.

 

He knows how to play DE in the strictest sense of the term. He has never in his career, whether it have been under Jim Johnson, Juan Castillo, Sean McDermott, or whatever asshole Chip Kelly is trotting out there been anything other than a pass rush specialist. 

 

Like yeah he knows how to play a position that was called DE that was completely different from how almost every team in the league played it. 

 

As far as what McDermott would do, Cole is incredibly versatile and he'd play everywhere. But if you're suggesting he coudl come in and be an early down DE you're insane. Or to insinuate that he was ever, uh, stout against the run...

[electro's horse]

The wide 9 arrived at Philly in 2011 with DL coach Jim Washburn (former DL Titans coach, that's why they got Babin that same year). The wide 9 lasted only 2 years before they switched to a 34 defense with Chip Kelly. 

 

Cole got drafted in 2005: from that point until 2011 (6 years) he got 57 sacks in a traditional 43 defense. For god's sake he was coached in some of those years by McDermott!

Yeah but keep in mind what Jim Johnson's defense was. Trent Cole wasn't being asked to play the run at all. So just because he lines up kinda on the same spot of the field as players you've seen doesn't meant the role is similar. 

 

I mean anyone with PFF can pull up his stats against the run to easily back this up. He was an EDGE with his hand on the ground. 

[PhillyB]

He was a DE before an OLB the last two season.

The end.

 

you had me wondering if i was a dumbass for a minute there, but now i realize it's not me, it's you.

 

OLB and rushing the passer are no more mutually exclusive than DE and controlling gaps/playing the run.

 

the entire premise of my post was that some guys who split time between coming out of a stance or standing up in a LBer position do not translate well to playing the style of DE that carolina utilizes for its 4-3. you clearly didn't understand what i was saying.

 

 

edit: fiz did a nice job explaining actual facts to you but you'd prefer to say "blah" than learn anything.

 

dumbass

[electro's horse]

like this board has a really bad understanding of basic front seven alignments. its collective comprehension stops at 3 lineman or 4 lineman, lots of blitzes v. boring, blah blah blah.

 

just bring up techniques, gaps, or any like 6th grade term and they go apocalyptic. 

[electro's horse]

4 legs good 2 legs bad

[mario]

Yeah but keep in mind what Jim Johnson's defense was. Trent Cole wasn't being asked to play the run at all. So just because he lines up kinda on the same spot of the field as players you've seen doesn't meant the role is similar. 

 

I mean anyone with PFF can pull up his stats against the run to easily back this up. He was an EDGE with his hand on the ground. 

 

He was an early down DE in all those years. He was clearly the #1 in that DL and no, he wasn't a subpackage player that only played on 3rd downs. A friend of mine who is an Eagles fan is laughing on the floor reading this thread.

 

In fact he's telling me that Jim Johnson D was a 2-gap scheme meaning the DL players are reading the play & reacting instead of shooting gaps.

 

His PFF run stats doesn't matter one bit. I believe C.Johnson had a negative run grade this year and nobody will say that he's a pass rush specialist that doesn't "play the run at all" or that he doesn't play in 1st down.

[PhillyB]

If you were talking about a draft prospect I would have believed you bro.

But this is Trent Cole who played DE and made a living at it until the last two season at OLB.

Dumb as a rock.

 

does his level of play at OLB in 2014 translate to his play as the type of DE we would use him to play in 2015?

 

ignore everything else, this is the crux of my question.