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NFL: Greg Hardy won't be reinstated because he hasn't been disciplined yet

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Anybodyhome Grand Master

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So your employer can't discipline you for actions unless you are found guilty in a court of law.....which is essentially your arguement.

That is disproven everyday, in every profession

 

Essentially, you missed the point and please don't attempt to interpret my posts anymore. Fail.

 

And yes, if I'm charged with a misdemeanor and those charges are later dropped, my employer (which is a municipality), cannot take any action against me. I have the benefit of HR policies which protect me. 

 

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CRA Grand Master

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Essentially, you missed the point and please don't attempt to interpret my posts anymore. Fail.

And yes, if I'm charged with a misdemeanor and those charges are later dropped, my employer (which is a municipality), cannot take any action against me. I have the benefit of HR policies which protect me.

I'll try this one more time....

Can your employer discipline you....if you have not legally been convicted of something? Or charged with a legal crime?

Yes or no. Simple question

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CRA Grand Master

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Regardless of what anybody thinks the NFL has a precedent of suspension without a conviction. This is a fact that you cannot argue out of existence.

NFL can fine or suspend you and your name never even be brought up in a court of law.

People seem to try to blur the outcome of a court scenario must some how dictate if he has or hasn't done something that his employer deems punishable. They aren't the same

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SmokinwithWilly Grand Master

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I'll try this one more time....

Can your employer discipline you....if you have not legally been convicted of something? Or charged with a legal crime?

Yes or no. Simple question

 

 

It all depends on what you have done or are doing. We live in an age where we are more connected to each other by social media than ever before. The actions of employees can directly affect an employer. With so many people posting their lives via Facebook, twitter, instagram, etc., employers have to worry about their reputation.

 

I'll give you an example. I had a guy that worked for me. Hard working guy, when he was sober. He never had a DUI or public intoxication. However, I started having my clients come to me saying that they had seen him out in public so drunk he could barely stand. This wasn't a single isolated instance, it happened 10-12 times within a few weeks. I had to make a decision. 

 

He was making my clients uncomfortable because of his drinking, and I had to weigh the likelihood that he would come to work hung over, could possibly drink on the job, or cause my clients to go somewhere else. His drinking, while on his own time, was affecting my business. I had to let him go. Did it feel good to do? No. It had to be done though. 

 

It's a simple question but not so simple an answer. 

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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NFL can fine or suspend you and your name never even be brought up in a court of law.

People seem to try to blur the outcome of a court scenario must some how dictate if he has or hasn't done something that his employer deems punishable. They aren't the same

These days, people in regular jobs can be fired for posting the wrong thing on Facebook.

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CRA Grand Master

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It all depends on what you have done or are doing. We live in an age where we are more connected to each other by social media than ever before. The actions of employees can directly affect an employer. With so many people posting their lives via Facebook, twitter, instagram, etc., employers have to worry about their reputation.

I'll give you an example. I had a guy that worked for me. Hard working guy, when he was sober. He never had a DUI or public intoxication. However, I started having my clients come to me saying that they had seen him out in public so drunk he could barely stand. This wasn't a single isolated instance, it happened 10-12 times within a few weeks. I had to make a decision.

He was making my clients uncomfortable because of his drinking, and I had to weigh the likelihood that he would come to work hung over, could possibly drink on the job, or cause my clients to go somewhere else. His drinking, while on his own time, was affecting my business. I had to let him go. Did it feel good to do? No. It had to be done though.

It's a simple question but not so simple an answer.

You have to be able to start with that simple question though to really talk about Hardy at this point.

Sure it gets much more complicated than a simple question....but people at this point are acting like the NFL has no right to discipline employees unless they have the backing of a court

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t96 Grand Master

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Again, the NFL can't just put players on the list. It is a mutual thing. Hardy and his agent agreed to be put on the list. They didn't have to be on it

Yes they can. They just did with Peterson. Are you this slow? Hardy did agree to be put on it but he really had no other choice because if he said no he'd have just been suspended indefinitely.

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Yes they can. They just did with Peterson. Are you this slow? Hardy did agree to be put on it but he really had no other choice because if he said no he'd have just been suspended indefinitely.

I didn't even bother with him. I quoted him the actual rule and he ignored it and went ahead to propagate those falsehoods. I'm sure AP had a say in him being put on the list. SMH.

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