NFL: Greg Hardy won't be reinstated because he hasn't been disciplined yet

[CelibatePimp]

The NFL doesn't need "proof".

 

They just have to decide the charges are credible.

 

Suspensions are not kept to the same standard as a court of law.

 

 

This was not case that was settled out of court; a tacit admission of complacence. This was a case where charges were dismissed essentially deeming the accused innocent. It is a private organization but it does not mean it can abuse the civil right's of it's employees hence as we have all witnessed so far, two of their suspensions have been overturned re: Rice and A.P.

[CRA]

This was not case that was settled out of court; a tacit admission of complacence. This was a case where charges were dismissed essentially deeming the accused innocent. It is a private organization but it does not mean it can abuse the civil right's of it's employees hence as we have all witnessed so far, two of their suspensions have been overturned re Rice and A.P.

Ray Rice was punished. AP was punsihed. So the suspensions were overturned

Hardy hasn't been punished

[CelibatePimp]

Ray Rice was punished. AP was punsihed. So the suspensions were overturned

Hardy hasn't been punished

 

The point of that post is that yes the NFL makes up it's own rules but they are not above the law with regards to how they handle disciplinary issues. Meaning, a court will overturn any punishment for Hardy when he has not been convicted of any crime. What is the NFL going to punish him for? Being accused? That's a slippery slope that no court will tolerate.

[CRA]

The point of that post is that yes the NFL makes up it's own rules but they are not above the law with regards to how they handle disciplinary issues. Meaning, a court will overturn any punishment for Hardy when he has not been convicted of any crime. What is the NFL going to punish him for? Being accused? That's a slippery slope that no court will tolerate.

Your employer can discipline you even if you are not convicted of a crime....or even charged. NFL certainly can too.

[CelibatePimp]

Your employer can discipline you even if you are not convicted of a crime....or even charged. NFL certainly can too.

 

You can take your employer to court if they do something like that and win. It happens all the time.

[top dawg]

Your employer can discipline you even if you are not convicted of a crime....or even charged. NFL certainly can too.

 

True, but being in a union can make all the difference.  Collective bargaining agreements go a long way towards legal protection for union members.

[CRA]

You can take your employer to court if they do something like that and win. It happens all the time.

Employees aren't exempt from punishment unless they commit a legal crime and are convicted.

Just bc some employers have handled things inappropriate doesn't then mean people can't be punished.

Employees are punished all the time also....and there is also nothing they can do to stop it (that will work)

[CelibatePimp]

True, but being in a union can make all the difference.  Collective bargaining agreements go a long way towards legal protection for union members.

 

Like there are so many protections for employers that people sounding like the NFL is the law of the land surprise me. I mean there are certain places where the boss cannot even talk disciplinary issues with their employee without a union rep being present.

 

[CelibatePimp]

Employees aren't exempt from punishment unless they commit a legal crime and are convicted.

Just bc some employers have handled things inappropriate doesn't then mean people can't be punished.

Employees are punished all the time also....and there is also nothing they can do to stop it (that will work)

 

Who has said here that employees cannot be punished? No one. Just don't make up stuff to punish your employees because if it goes to court you will lose.

[CarolinaCoolin]

Okay....then he was charged and arrested for a violent crime and pays off a girl before the court date.

Again, through the NFL eyes THAT is gonna get you some form punishment in today's NFL.

doesnt seem like you even grasp my arguement

Can you prove he paid her off besides citing the prosecution who hadn't been able to track her down following the first trial?

No you can't.

The charges were dismissed. The prosecution didn't even have a case.

In the eyes of the law he's been innocent since day one. You are trying so hard man smh

[CRA]

True, but being in a union can make all the difference. Collective bargaining agreements go a long way towards legal protection for union members.

and the NFLPA doesn't step up and try to stop the discipline of the NFL unless they go to far (beyond what has been agreed upon).

NFLPA knows Hardy isn't being punished TWICE. They may step in if NFL tries to punish Hardy under rules made up after his incident.

But Hardy can be punished.

I agree a union helps. But it doesn't try to stop punishment that they agreed can be done.

[CRA]

Can you prove he paid her off besides citing the prosecution who hadn't been able to track her down following the first trial?

No you can't.

The charges were dismissed. The prosecution didn't even have a case.

In the eyes of the law he's been innocent since day one. You are trying so hard man smh

Again, that doesn't matter. NFL doesn't NEED that.

NFL doesn't need proof Hardy paid her off and they dont need a court verdict or even a criminal charge

A team or NFL can merely say your poor choices that didn't lead you to be guilty or even charged made us look poorly......so now you face X discipline as a result

[CarolinaCoolin]

Again, that doesn't matter. NFL doesn't NEED that.

NFL doesn't need proof Hardy paid her off and they dont need a court verdict or even a criminal charge

Show me the precedent in which players have been punished for just being accused on their first offense

[CelibatePimp]

Again, that doesn't matter. NFL doesn't NEED that.

NFL doesn't need proof Hardy paid her off and they dont need a court verdict or even a criminal charge

 

No they don't but why do you think they are digging to find out what happened with the case? They could have gone ahead and suspended Hardy the very day the charges were dismissed.