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panthers55 Grand Master

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Basically I don't disagree with you but I read it that CJ would be reworked to a modest deal and the 60 million dollar number is simply a max. While not all the moves suggested are right or will be done, the perhaps more important number was the 19 players under contract in 2016. That's a reflection of flexibility. The opposite of the Saints. And that makes me feel like we are trending up.

It said Johnson would be kept for 2015 and could released in 2016 when his dead cap number would fall to 4 million. I saw nothing suggesting an extension. And the 60 million dollar number was put forth as a goal instead of a real bad idea given that with only 25 guys under contract assuming our rookies this year and picking up some free agents in 2015 we are forced to bring in a bunch of free agents in 2016 whether the market is favorable to do so or not or rely on a bunch of rookies and UDFAs. That philosophy not only has us sucking in 2015 but likely off to another slow start in 2016 as we try and build chemistry. Flexibility is one think but having less than half of your roster under contract rarely leads to big progress, or consistency which is what we are shooting for.
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Flexibility is one think but having less than half of your roster under contract rarely leads to big progress, or consistency which is what we are shooting for.

generally young free agents 26ish are the ones that cost the most. So with two more years of drafting, the resigning/restructuring, some of the dumps in the article, we won't be at 60 million but we will be in a very good spot AND be able to go after big name FAs. I thought the article ended with the point...2015 is not the year CAR spends but 2016 likely will.
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generally young free agents 26ish are the ones that cost the most. So with two more years of drafting, the resigning/restructuring, some of the dumps in the article, we won't be at 60 million but we will be in a very good spot AND be able to go after big name FAs. I thought the article ended with the point...2015 is not the year CAR spends but 2016 likely will.

But the problem with this article is that it is only looking at contracts and not building a team for 2015 as well as 2016. It is just looking at who we can release and keep without acknowledging that if we don't spend in 2015 and do what we need to in order to remain competitive we will take an ever bigger plunge in 2015 than we did between 2013 and 2014. If it weren't for our easier schedule and poor division in 2014 we could have finished with 4 or 5 wins. If we do what this article recommends we will be back to 2 or 3 wins. The whole we can't spend or restructure anyone in 2015 without costing us in the future ignores that Gettleman was able to go from 20 million over the cap in 2013 to 8 million under while building a team that went 12-4. We took a step back in 2014 due to a poor free agency strategy and overconfidence by Gettleman that he could pull off another 2013 which didn't happen. He will be smarter and spend more this free agency just like he should. There will still be plenty money for 2016 as well without tanking this season in the process.

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I agree with what you're saying just not what you think the article is advocating. But I didn't write the article so I surely won't defend it more than three times. Seems to me like we are on the right track but there's plenty of time for histrionics.

I have seen this kind of analysis over and over. This is what you get when you have a bean counter in charge of a company. They have all the numbers and can tell you trends and money but no idea what they are doing in running the company. I know exactly what the article is advocating. it is saving money and dumping contracts and not restructuring or extending folks so we have plenty of money in 2016. And I think the idea appears fine on the surface but it is too simplistic and doesn't account t for the realities of the present NFL. You need veterans like Johnson and Kalil as well as a mix of young players it isn't just about the money but inward to you get for the money Without veteran leadership which you have to pay for, you end up like we did in 2010. Since you have to spend 90% of the cap every year that 60 million will get spent just like it does every year. Only we will be rebuilding after a poor 2015 instead of retooling. If there are the right guys in free agency this year you spend instead of saving for 2016 hoping the right guys are there then.

If you have lurked as long as you say then you know I am not one for histrionics, I rely on facts and logic and the expert opinions of those who know more than I do. This guy isn't one of those guys. He knows numbers but he wasn't a GM and doesn't know the relative value of guys like Kalil to our team.

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Carolina Mike Experienced

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It seems as some on here read too much into each article written as "gospel". I looked at it more like... If (I believe he will) makes good decisions on future draft picks & contracts we are sitting in a good position moving forward.

Sometimes just relax a little... Not every article or Carolina Panthers news piece needs to be broken down by "Couch Gm's" that don't know all the inter working moving parts going on in the Organization.

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