Does Hardy situation scare panthers away from Green-Beckham?

[tiger7_88]

one strike and your out mentality around here.

 

Oh really?

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2026171-dorial-green-beckham-dismissed-from-missouri-football-program

 

Green-Beckham's latest incident came over the weekend, where he was allegedly involved in an attempt to break into the home of a female. While police were initially investigating the crime as a burglary, per Matthew Fairburn of The Missourian (subscription required), Green-Beckham was not officially charged with a crime.

 

According to the police report, Green-Beckham attempted to force his way into an apartment door while it was being blocked. He then pushed an unnamed female down a flight of stairs before leaving the scene in a vehicle, with Missouri football teammates imploring residents to not call the police.

 

 

Even without charges, this is at least the third time Green-Beckham has been involved in incidents needing police attention. He was one of three men arrested on Jan. 10 for having marijuana following a routine traffic stop. The highly touted receiver was initially charged with possession with intent to distribute, which would have been a felony charge.

 

Because of the ongoing nature of the case, he was allowed to still attend the university and practice without a suspension. Green-Beckham was also arrested as a freshman for marijuana possession, though those charges were eventually pleaded down to trespassing.

 

 

 

 

 

You have a funny, non-arithmetic definition of "one".

[DaCityKats]

Even people in tough situations have CHOICES in their life that only *they* are responsible for.

 

Read this article about an Auburn basketball player who also lacked "structure" in his family life (and considering the description of his childhood, probably had it TOUGHER than DGB):

 

http://www.theplainsman.com/view/full_story/26466293/article-Basketball-player-rebounds-despite-childhood-in-crack-house?instance=home_news_lead_story

 

Choices.

 

Give up in desperation.  Go with the flow of what all the other losers around you are doing.

 

Or MAKE SOMETHING OF YOUR LIFE other than the desperation you've known.

 

DGB always seems to take the "easy" (destructive) choice.

 

this i know. again, you cannot use your upbringing as an excuse to why you act a certain way. also, some people mature quicker then others. that is a great story, but DGB should also get the opportunity to prove he has grown up from previous bad decisions. he has not been in trouble in a year, which points to him trending in the right direction. Tyrann Mathieu has made a complete 180 turn, once getting booted from LSU, so maybe this is what it took for DGB to change.

 

again, give DGB the Dez treatment, and do not allow him to bust. force him to be great. 

[Captain Obvious]

Oh really?

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2026171-dorial-green-beckham-dismissed-from-missouri-football-program

 

 

 

 

You have a funny, non-arithmetic definition of "one".

whatever, I guess I should have just said I was speaking about the kid not the football player. I still don't see enough reasons to throw this child away. I don't give a fug about the "football player". Many people have drug themselves up and made something of their life. Here's hoping this guy can. Again I have never watched one second of him playing. So I have no idea how good he is.

[Mr. Scot]

whatever, I guess I should have just said I was speaking about the kid not the football player. I still don't see enough reasons to throw this child away. I don't give a fug about the "football player". Many people have drug themselves up and made something of their life. Here's hoping this guy can. Again I have never watched one second of him playing. So I have no idea how good he is.

Sometimes the best way to help the 'kid' is not to give him millions of dollars and the perks of fame.

[tiger7_88]

this i know. again, you cannot use your upbringing as an excuse to why you act a certain way. also, some people mature quicker then others. that is a great story, but DGB should also get the opportunity to prove he has grown up from previous bad decisions. he has not been in trouble in a year, which points to him trending in the right direction. Tyrann Mathieu has made a complete 180 turn, once getting booted from LSU, so maybe this is what it took for DGB to change.

 

again, give DGB the Dez treatment, and do not allow him to bust. force him to be great. 

 

Couldn't agree more with what you say above.

 

My only thing about DGB is this:  You are taking a high-risk with your 1st round choice if you draft him.  For that reason, I'd rather the Panthers pass (and I think they will/would).

 

I'd even be uneasy to see him drafted using a 2nd round pick (as we've seen with Gettleman, so far he's pretty spot-on with his 2nd rounders too).

 

If he was still sitting there in the 3rd round?  I'd draft him in a New York minute and give him his "chance".  Nobody ever said that DGB's "chance" had to be a guaranteed selection in the 1st round and all the money that goes with it (though I wouldn't be surprised if *somebody* gave him that chance, even though I hope its not us).

[tiger7_88]

whatever, I guess I should have just said I was speaking about the kid not the football player. I still don't see enough reasons to throw this child away. I don't give a fug about the "football player". Many people have drug themselves up and made something of their life. Here's hoping this guy can. Again I have never watched one second of him playing. So I have no idea how good he is.

 

As I stated above, who is saying to not give the guy a "chance"?

 

And why, in your mind, is it REQUIRED that that chance be a 1st round roll-of-the-dice?

 

Would he not get that chance if he was selected in the 2nd or 3rd round?

[tiger7_88]

Sometimes the best way to help the 'kid' is not to give him millions of dollars and the perks of fame.

 

I wonder what would best give DGB the motivation to most take advantage of his "chance"?

 

To be rewarded just like he always has in the past for past transgressions?  "Oh, you're a great athlete so it doesn't matter the choices you've made in your past!  Here... have millions of dollars!  Boys will be boys hahahaha!"

 

Or to be selected in a lower round than the 1st and have to settle for a "prove it" deal?

[Captain Obvious]

As I stated above, who is saying to not give the guy a "chance"?

 

And why, in your mind, is it REQUIRED that that chance be a 1st round roll-of-the-dice?

 

Would he not get that chance if he was selected in the 2nd or 3rd round?

oh ok i see where the confusion is. I don't want him in the first round. or second for that matter we need to get better on the O line before we can take chances on some of these questionable players. i'm not for throwing a guy away from the NFL because he may have problems. 

[KillerKat]

I'd say its the opposite. I think players who are thinking of coming here will choose not to due to JR not having their back if lies somehow are made against them.

[top dawg]

I told this story in the All-Pro section that is known within the Panthers...

Nice. Assuming this is true, the only thing I will offer is the fact that perhaps J-Rich has learned a few things and evolved over the years. Its not like the Panthers have been the model for sustained sustained success on the field, and many people do mellow out as they get older.

I don't see him stepping oh the toes of G-man or Rivera like that today. If anything, DGB will be discussed early so that he wouldn't even make the board. If he works out for the Panthers, then he is being genuinely considered by the Panthers.

[DaCityKats]

Couldn't agree more with what you say above.

 

My only thing about DGB is this:  You are taking a high-risk with your 1st round choice if you draft him.  For that reason, I'd rather the Panthers pass (and I think they will/would).

 

I'd even be uneasy to see him drafted using a 2nd round pick (as we've seen with Gettleman, so far he's pretty spot-on with his 2nd rounders too).

 

If he was still sitting there in the 3rd round?  I'd draft him in a New York minute and give him his "chance".  Nobody ever said that DGB's "chance" had to be a guaranteed selection in the 1st round and all the money that goes with it (though I wouldn't be surprised if *somebody* gave him that chance, even though I hope its not us).

 

i would not take DGB in the 1st round, unless i had a team like the Seahawks. i cannot see the panthers taking him, because of Jerry. but as a 2nd rounder, I'm running that pick in to take him, if he is still on the board. hell you cannot take a chance on a D2 OL, a conversion QB to WR from App St, and not take a chance on a huge, 4.4, 35+ vertical, WR, that has produced in the best conference in college football.

 

i just hope that Jerry does not take him off the board for Carolina, and the scouting department are doing their due diligence on him. the talent is worth the risk.

[Mr. Scot]

I'd say its the opposite. I think players who are thinking of coming here will choose not to due to JR not having their back if lies somehow are made against them.

How exactly would a draft pick 'choose not to come here'?

[thefuzz]

I'd say its the opposite. I think players who are thinking of coming here will choose not to due to JR not having their back if lies somehow are made against them.

 

Yes, that's it.

 

Draft choices will choose to go play in Canada for a year not to play for JR, the same can be said for free agents....they never follow the money...I have seen so many free agents pass up the money because they hate the ownership.

 

Seen it a thousand times...

[top dawg]

I guess that grace, mercy, sacrifice and redemption are unknown concepts to many in regards to the first round.

Moreover, it's kind of hypocritical---if not just simpleminded in a way---to say that this guy is not good enough morally to be drafted in the first round, but is good enough morally to be drafted in the second or third, etc. Oh, what? It's all about money? Well, then say "It's all about money!"