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All-time worst Panther starters?

Cyberjag

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Nope.

 

You sure? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2263748

 

"Davis, 31, missed most of training camp as he rehabilitated from the knee surgery that limited him to only two appearances in 2004. He returned to practice toward the end of camp, when he was removed from the physically unable to perform list, and began the season as the Panthers' starter.

But in recent days, Davis has been hampered again by knee problems, and his right knee swelled considerably this week. When it did not respond well to treatment, the Panthers decided it was pointless for Davis to try to continue the season. It is not yet known if he will require further surgery to address his longtime knee woes.

Panthers general manager Marty Hurney, quoted by The Associated Press, called the move "disappointing," adding that the team's decision wasn't based on medical tests."

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You sure? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2263748

 

"Davis, 31, missed most of training camp as he rehabilitated from the knee surgery that limited him to only two appearances in 2004. He returned to practice toward the end of camp, when he was removed from the physically unable to perform list, and began the season as the Panthers' starter.

But in recent days, Davis has been hampered again by knee problems, and his right knee swelled considerably this week. When it did not respond well to treatment, the Panthers decided it was pointless for Davis to try to continue the season. It is not yet known if he will require further surgery to address his longtime knee woes.

Panthers general manager Marty Hurney, quoted by The Associated Press, called the move "disappointing," adding that the team's decision wasn't based on medical tests."

 

The injury did not impact his play or workload. Two of his three best games were 81 and 77 yard efforts to start the season. Davis did not get better throughout the season, as one would expect from one recovering from injury, but worse. Davis only had one game as starter over 5 yards per carry - week 1. In every single game after, he had 4 YPC or worse - normally between 2.5 and 3 yards per carry. Late in the season (the last four games, where he totaled around 60 yards) he was indeed hampered by injury, but he also lost workload due to DeShaun Foster being much, much better. Basically, injuries really had no statistical impact on his season.

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2005 Davis was basically Mike Tolbert but minus the 3rd down scat back looks. Davis had 12 TDs in 2005 and basically was short yardage runner.

 

The problem with that analogy is that, during the first nine games (the ones where he received 90% of his carries), he averaged 18 carries a game for 54 yards (3 yards per carry). Over that same period, DeShaun Foster averaged only 9 carries a game for 35 yards (3.9 yards per carry). His performance would be more akin to if we made Mike Tolbert our starting back and fed him the ball repeatedly despite getting no results (aside from gimmie goal-line touchdowns) and having a clearly superior back behind him.

 

Anyway I was wrong to rank him on this list even as one season. I just thought this was a particularly bad season. I mean, averaging three yards per carry while starting more than half the season is really, really bad.

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If I gave you a lineup of players, all in the prime of their careers, would you be more unhappy to see Steven Davis on that list or Derrick Moore?  Maybe the prospect of Dee Brown would make you want to go watch Tennis instead of football?

 

To me, the thing that epitomizes 'worst' is knowing that the guy you're lining up not only isn't very good, he's never going to be any good and he's never been any good.  That's despair...

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The injury did not impact his play or workload. Two of his three best games were 81 and 77 yard efforts to start the season. Davis did not get better throughout the season, as one would expect from one recovering from injury, but worse. Davis only had one game as starter over 5 yards per carry - week 1. In every single game after, he had 4 YPC or worse - normally between 2.5 and 3 yards per carry. Late in the season (the last four games, where he totaled around 60 yards) he was indeed hampered by injury, but he also lost workload due to DeShaun Foster being much, much better. Basically, injuries really had no statistical impact on his season.

 

How playing after surgery doesn't affect play is something you're going to have to further explain. Particularly surgery on the legs of a running back. 

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A defense that would make any offense look good...

DE: Jason Peter, Chuck Wiley

DT: Nick Hayden, Sione Fua

LB: Lester Towns, Na'il Diggs, Hannibal Navies

CB: Sherrod Martin, Rashard Anderson

FS: Haruki Nakamura

SS: Damien Richardson

repressed memories are suddenly surfacing
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