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All-time worst Panther starters?

Cyberjag

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Whoa, he was pretty good to great at least his first year here. He and Eric Davis were probably the best CB starting duo we've ever had for at least one season...that will probably be soon eclipsed by Norman and Benwikere.

Lucas and Gamble have to be up there in the conversation for best in 2005.

We've obviously had a lot of bad safety play but Colin Branch and Nate Salley were pretty bad too. Haven't seen those names yet.

Tony Fiametta was a complete waste of a FB back when we carried a true full back

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Did Fiametta ever start?  I'm pretty sure Salley didn't, which always annoyed me because I got suckered into thinking he was going to be good.

 

As a franchise, I don't know that we've ever had really good, consistent safety play outside of Minter and Harris, unless you count all the one-year-wonders .

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I have to disagree on your running backs. Lamar Smith was all we had for the half season he played. Everybody knew we were running. We had no line. He still averaged 3.5.

In 2005, Stephen Davis was nothing more than a short yardage / goal line back. Look at his TDs and 1st down stats.

DJ Hackett was not a starter. He alternated the third WR spot with Jarrett during the 2008 run fest season.

Olindo Mare was a million times worse than Medlock.

Ron Edwards did his job. He was a run stopper and nobody ran against us when he was in the lineup.

 

Lamar Smith could be fair enough, sure. It's just the YPC is so bad.

 

2005 Stephen Davis was not just a short-yardage back. He and DeShaun Foster were a tandem, yes, but Davis started 11 games out of 13 played, and averaged about 18 carries through the first 9 games. His carries did not drop below 10 until week 10 against Chicago, and even the two games where he and Foster both had 10 carries (Minnesota and Tampa), Davis either had more carries (Minnesota) or was by far the more effective back (Tampa, with a 2.4 YPC vs. Foster's 1.4). Foster did not become starter until Davis was injured. In regards to first downs, Davis had a 1st-down percentage of 17%. That's only marginally better than Foster and the lowest of his career.

 

Hackett did indeed start two games - weeks 1 and 2. He sucked in both of them, hence why he is listed.

 

Mare had a a full season to suck, but actually only directly influenced two games - the 29-34 loss to Chicago (where he missed two kicks) and the 21-24 loss to Minnesota (where he missed one kick). The other games he missed kicks in (Tennessee, Indianapolis, and Atlanta) finished with scores that could not have been influenced by a single kick. In Tennessee, we lost 3-30. In Indianapolis, we won 27-19. In Atlanta, we lost 23-31. In none of these would a field goal have really helped us (aside from Atlanta where it would have meant a TD would have won). Mare never missed field goals in consecutive games, and was also fairly consistent in kickoffs. Medlock, on the other hand, missed a field goal in three consecutive games (each game having only one attempt), and was abysmal in kickoffs even with them being at the 35. I think a full season of Medlock would have been worse than Mare.

 

Ron Edwards barely played due to injury, and when he did I really don't think he was that useful.

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