Has Voth changed his opinion of Hardy's future?

[csx]

The problem with CRA opinion is he's acting like this a non story. . And Bill is only doing this as some sort of publicity stunt. .. I'm just want to give Bill credit that he is better than that..

He can act however he wants. The problem seems to be you dont want to accept that.

[WOW!!]

i don't think it's a publicity stunt, but it does create some buzz, which is good for business and i appreciate voth for writing it. Shows a bit of insider information which is fun to talk about. But at the end of the day do you think players going to JR are going to influence him enough to actually consider it? Especially with what Hardy put us through this past season? still seems unlikely. especially with the NFL logo at the 50 yard line. my hope is DG is really running things (smith cut shows something) and that DG loving his pass rushers will kind of spark something.

If DG passes on Hardy it means hardy is a bigger fughead than anybody here knows. DG's favorite players are pass rushers and Hardy is the best in the business, especially for his young age.

there are a lot of things going on right now and we are all trying to make sense of it.

I think JR and Dave are shrew business men....and will always try to make a good business decision... If Hardy is willing to accommodate the Panthers demands. . Play for less than his true value and make concessions to the team and FO on his actions. .. Dave and JR will make the decision to keep a top 5 pass rushers that makes your team better ... and get him for below market value. .

JR has made this decision before.. Smitty while being one of the Best WR in the game...was a head ache on a week to week basis and way more of a problem in the locker room than Hardy was.. I also think JR being a former players will put stock in the opinion of the locker room.. And it seems like Greg has a strong backing in the Locker room...

Again all this is dependent on Greg being very loyal and almost a dumb ass and not taking the money and run...

[WOW!!]

He can act however he wants. The problem seems to be you dont want to accept that.

Yes I give Bill way more credit than Max Henson.. I don't accept Bill being a fluff writer for hits on his site.. I'm sorry for that..

[AKPantherFan]

= end result;

Don't f with crazy coked out $ hungry white girls

They will burn u n more ways than one

[TheRumGone]

It is all situational. Take 34 for example. Some think I hate him. I don't. I would love him as a vet min cheap committee guy. But that isn't the situation....I want nothing to do with him in the current situation.

Hardy is a beast. I'm certain he will be a beast next year. I don't believe it will be here and I don't think that is the wrong move either....

Would out front 4 be better with or without him? With. But all things factored in which is a lot in reality he IMO most likely will be an easy decision when it comes down to it

 

if he ends up in the south i'm going to vomit.

 

and pray DG knows his OT's

[TheRumGone]

I think JR and Dave are shrew business men....and will always try to make a good business decision... If Hardy is willing to accommodate the Panthers demands. . Play for less than his true value and make concessions to the team and FO on his actions. .. Dave and JR will make the decision to keep a top 5 pass rushers that makes your team better ... and get him for below market value. .

JR has made this decision before.. Smitty while being one of the Best WR in the game...was a head ache on a week to week basis and way more of a problem in the locker room than Hardy was.. I also think JR being a former players will put stock in the opinion of the locker room.. And it seems like Greg has a strong backing in the Locker room...

Again all this is dependent on Greg being very loyal and almost a dumb ass and not taking the money and run...

 

i wasn't trying to say smith and hardy are similar situations.

 

just that the smith cut may show DG's opinion has a higher value than many of us could imagine with JR. This could work in Hardy's favor for us retaining him.  JR and smith are really, really tight.

 

i think the players love greg and i think greg loves ron and playing for the panthers. I just think when he sees those dollar signs (that is also dependent on some things) that he will take the money and run. I wouldn't blame him.

 

There are just so many damn moving parts to all of this it's very hard to come up with even a 70% conclusion either way. i'm sure this has been posted before in some way but i haven't read all the way through this thread.

[WOW!!]

if he ends up in the south i'm going to vomit.

and pray DG knows his OT's

That's the 2nd best situation for me..

If Hardy isn't going to be here.. I hope his loyalty and love

for this organization is strong enough.. He won't even consider playing in the division for a rival...

[PantherWake]

35 pages on this damn. I know Jeremy must be loving this lol

[WOW!!]

i wasn't trying to say smith and hardy are similar situations.

just that the smith cut may show DG's opinion has a higher value than many of us could imagine with JR. This could work in Hardy's favor for us retaining him. JR and smith are really, really tight.

i think the players love greg and i think greg loves ron and playing for the panthers. I just think when he sees those dollar signs (that is also dependent on some things) that he will take the money and run. I wouldn't blame him.

There are just so many damn moving parts to all of this it's very hard to come up with even a 70% conclusion either way. i'm sure this has been posted before in some way but i haven't read all the way through this thread.

I agree.

If Dave can keep Greg for below his market value I think he will..

But I think Greg will see the bigger Dollar signs some where else and leave.

[top dawg]

thats when you just click x out of the thread, and go to something else or create something yourself.

 

i've done that when i'm tired of talking about something. ego's clash here at times. myself included. I literally rage posted about the seven second pause with CRA for a good 10 pages then said fug this. it happens. everybody wants to be right in some form or fashion or want their opinions to be validated because it's fun and it's part of being the hardcore fans that we are. we are all mini GMs

 

I agree. The thing is that it still doesn't really invalidate that there is some rationale for believing that there is a chance that Hardy's services will be retained (however small it is), and that the reasons behind that rationale is newsworthy, and that some within the media should not have jumped the gun, reporting things as a surety, when all was not said and done yet.

 

 

 

Edit: Don't know why I the apostrophe was after "reason". I am my own grammar hammer.

[Jeremy Igo]

I agree. The thing is that it still doesn't really invalidate that there is some rationale for believing that there is a chance that Hardy's services will be retained (however small it is), and that the reason's behind that rationale is newsworthy, and that some within the media should not have jumped the gun, reporting things as a surety, when all was not said and done yet.

Reporters report what they are told.

If they were told it was a sure thing he was gone, and they were, they should report that.

If ownership starts to change their mind, that should be reported too.

[top dawg]

Reporters report what they are told.

If they were told it was a sure thing he was gone, and they were, they should report that.

If ownership starts to change their mind, that should be reported too.

 

Point taken.  But, it depends on the sources and the situation.

 

Sometimes patience is the better part of discretion.   

[CRA]

The problem with CRA opinion is he's acting like this a non story. . And Bill is only doing this as some sort of publicity stunt. .. I'm just want to give Bill credit that he is better than that..

I don't think it is a publicity stunt.....I think there is very little to talk about and this is one of the few currently relevant subjects.

And I do think big picture.....this doesn't really mean much. Which Voth seems to imply in the article where he states Hardy is still likely gone nc of all the previously mentioned points.

So my point is people are putting too much stock in something Voth isn't actually putting much faith in. Yes he reported it.....yet he didn't report that it drastically changes anything

[WOW!!]

I don't think it is a publicity stunt.....I think there is very little to talk about and this is one of the few currently relevant subjects.

And I do think big picture.....this doesn't really mean much. Which Voth seems to imply in the article where he states Hardy is still likely gone nc of all the previously mentioned points.

So my point is people are putting too much stock in something Voth isn't actually putting much faith in. Yes he reported it.....yet he didn't report that it drastically changes anything

It changes his thought that this is a forgone conclusion. . And he could just write about Prospect in the draft or free agency.. And get the same or even more intention to his site... The fact we actually my participate in FA this year is enough news to write about...