Has Voth changed his opinion of Hardy's future?

[CelibatePimp]

Ok you're so tuned in why don't you bring up what I said to one of the players and see what they say.

Hardy loved the game so much all he kept talking about last offseason was how much money he wanted.

[joemac]

Hardy loved the game so much all he kept talking about last offseason was how much money he wanted.

And he had yet to have it taken away from him.

[Jeremy Igo]

Ok you're so tuned in why don't you bring up what I said to one of the players and see what they say.

How many players are stepping up and willing to take pay cuts to bring Hardy back? A good number I imagine.

A reporter asks a player if he wants Hardy back. That player says yes.

What do you think he is supposed to say? No, we don't want Greg back? When have you ever heard a NFL player say that about another NFL player.

Honestly every Hardy thread turns into a pissing match between reason and those so emotionally invested in the issue they see anything less than Hardy is a super great guy and will play for free is seen as hate.

I'm done.

[KillaCamNewton]

If it was a contract year and it would impact my salary at a future job I would.

Exactly my point. Yeah he got paid to sit on the couch for a year, but it potentially killed alot of potential pay days. Thats why I thought of it as a "suspension"

[carolinarolls]

Logic would have me believe that the main reason fans should want this is to have Hardy back on the field in a Panther uniform, but then again....I did say logic and that doesn't always fit in with mob mentality.

"and if you'll all take a look to your left, you should see Johnny Rockets ignoring logic, wrapping himself in a big black Carolina Panther Snuggie, and grandstanding down the high road. Yes. Yes. Isn't that nice."

[WOW!!]

Ben Roethlisberger was suspended without ever being charged.

Honestly I imagine the NFL can suspend someone even if they are acquitted.

Ben was also on his 3rd rape accusers.. People tend to forget 2 other poor victims that Ben didn't get punished for...

[Montsta]

i don't think the NFL can suspend someone for not reporting that his friend has been on coke and visited them. Without a trial, only Hardy's statement can be used against him, nothing the victim claims can be used because it's not proven. I don't recall Hardy saying anything to the effect that he and her had been doing coke.

The black eye argument is weak if you ask me. Someone cried wolf and Hardy was the victim. Not his fault that the media jumped on the person crying Wolf's side.

Again, in my post I said that in order to suspend Hardy, I think the NFL needs the court documents. This includes bench trial transcripts and police reports.

You keep using the word "proof". The NFL is not a government entity. They are a business. They are a business that collectively bargained with their union workforce to give the commissioner the authority to make a judgement call (again, not a proof call, a judgement call) when suspending players for conduct that the commissioner believes to be detrimental to the league.

I am not saying I agree with it, but it's reality.

[AU-panther]

Hardy would be crazy for signing anywhere close the minimum or even the 4-5 million dollar range like some have suggested. 

 

Likewise the Panthers would be crazy to not even entertain the idea of bringing him back if he was willing to sign for considerable less then market price.

 

The structure of the deal and the amount of guaranteed money would probably be a bigger hurdle then the overall number.

[WOW!!]

While the NFL is looking at Pics of Holder will they take into account those pics weren't taking at the scene but 10 hours later after trying to call Greg 20x and than deciding to report him...

[joemac]

How many players are stepping up and willing to take pay cuts to bring Hardy back? A good number I imagine.

A reporter asks a player if he wants Hardy back. That player says yes.

What do you think he is supposed to say? No, we don't want Greg back? When have you ever heard a NFL player say that about another NFL player.

Honestly every Hardy thread turns into a pissing match between reason and those so emotionally invested in the issue they see anything less than Hardy is a super great guy and will play for free is seen as hate.

I'm done.

I know Hardy is an asshole. So what. Not looking for choir boys. He's a bad ass DE. He's hopefully learned his lesson. We all see where you are on the situation. Just trying to maybe give another side of the argument.

[WOW!!]

Again, in my post I said that in order to suspend Hardy, I think the NFL needs the court documents. This includes bench trial transcripts and police reports.

You keep using the word "proof". The NFL is not a government entity. They are a business. They are a business that collectively bargained with their union workforce to give the commissioner the authority to make a judgement call (again, not a proof call, a judgement call) when suspending players for conduct that the commissioner believes to be detrimental to the league.

I am not saying I agree with it, but it's reality.

When looking at the testimony and transcripts they will notice how her story change 3x and how police on the scene of the crime didn't see enough to make a arrests.

[CelibatePimp]

Again, in my post I said that in order to suspend Hardy, I think the NFL needs the court documents. This includes bench trial transcripts and police reports.

You keep using the word "proof". The NFL is not a government entity. They are a business. They are a business that collectively bargained with their union workforce to give the commissioner the authority to make a judgement call (again, not a proof call, a judgement call) when suspending players for conduct that the commissioner believes to be detrimental to the league.

I am not saying I agree with it, but it's reality.

Don't ignore the word "proof". It's important here. The NFL cannot suspend anyone based on hearsay, which will be the case of they go on the accuser's testimony alone.

And that reality may not be a reality at all. It is why a judge overturned the private entity's decision in the Ray Rice case. The NFL's punishments in cases where it's not that clear cut are not final.

[CelibatePimp]

When looking at the testimony and transcripts they will notice how her story change 3x and how police on the scene of the crime didn't see enough to make a arrests.

That's what I'm trying to tell him. Until all that was finalized in an actual trial, anything the girl has said is hearsay. They can only hang Hardy on anything he said that was incriminating, nothing the girl said.

[WOW!!]

Don't ignore the word "proof". It's important here. The NFL cannot suspend anyone based on hearsay, which will be the case of they go on the accuser's testimony alone.

And that reality may not be a reality at all. It is why a judge overturned the private entity's decision in the Ray Rice case. The NFL's punishments in cases where it's not that clear cut are not final.

A testimony that change 3x during the duration of the case...