Fans have spoken time and time again, winning is ALL that matters. Why cant owners get this?!

[MHS831]

The operative word is missing in your statement.... "accused"

 

 

I see your point, but I think people are confusing the NFL decision-making bodies with a court of law.  "Accused" still makes the newspapers, twitter, TMZ, and tarnishes the brand.  I am pretty sure that teams and the NFL know what happened before they make decisions.  Did AP have a history of child abuse and clear evidence that he beat his child?  Yes. Did Rice ever deny hitting his woman?  No.  Was Hardy with a woman on crack or meth or something, and was there physical conflict? 

 

Basically, if you are a highly-visible employee and your name gets caught up in controversy, it had better be a complete case of mistaken identity.   If you have to make comments like, "She was high on crack but I wasn't" or "The multiple assault rifles were on the bed but the clips were empty..."  you have damaged the reputation of your company by association and life style.  you can live that way, but if and when it becomes public and damages the company you work for, expect consequences.

 

If I am running the NFL, I am going to find out if careless decisions were made that hurt the NFL.  If so, you will be dealing with the commish.

[Mr. Scot]

I'm talking about Hardy simply because his case is pertinent to the discussion in that it has yet to be adjudicated.

The OP's argument is based on the cases of Ray Rice, Michael Vick and others, not just Hardy.

[Mr. Scot]

Shame we cut Rae Carruth, huh?

I mean, he could have helped us win games. That's all that really matters, right?

[Mother Grabber]

not all fans agree with OPs sentiment, for example, me.

[pantherclaw]

If you're okay with someone getting away with hitting or raping a woman or any other violent crime as long as they can win football games, you're not someone I have any interest in knowing.

Football is not more important than people's real lives.

Amen.

Any dude who thinks it's okay to hit/abuse women/children better pray they don't do it in front of me, cause i have no problems going to jail for taking their worthless lives.

[Anybodyhome]

I see your point, but I think people are confusing the NFL decision-making bodies with a court of law.  "Accused" still makes the newspapers, twitter, TMZ, and tarnishes the brand.  I am pretty sure that teams and the NFL know what happened before they make decisions.  Did AP have a history of child abuse and clear evidence that he beat his child?  Yes. Did Rice ever deny hitting his woman?  No.  Was Hardy with a woman on crack or meth or something, and was there physical conflict? 

 

Basically, if you are a highly-visible employee and your name gets caught up in controversy, it had better be a complete case of mistaken identity.   If you have to make comments like, "She was high on crack but I wasn't" or "The multiple assault rifles were on the bed but the clips were empty..."  you have damaged the reputation of your company by association and life style.  you can live that way, but if and when it becomes public and damages the company you work for, expect consequences.

 

If I am running the NFL, I am going to find out if careless decisions were made that hurt the NFL.  If so, you will be dealing with the commish.

 

You've left out the NFLPA and the CBA which have some bearing as well. And what happens when a spiteful employee or a disenfranchised business competitor decides to make an anonymous phone call accusing you of taking indecent liberties with junior employees or your neighbor's kid? You getting fired based on that accusation? After all, it is just an accusation, but it'll still make the papers and your life is ruined. 

 

[iamhubby1]

I really, really love winning. But...there is something to be said for doing it the right way.

To me, it comes down to; What are you willing to do, and still be able to look at yourself in the mirror?

If you truly believe that JR does not care about winning, you are barking up the wrong tree. The hiring of Gman should lay that thought to rest. Just because he wants to do it the right way, does not mean he cares less.

[Hotsauce]

Winning and the color of our Jerseys****

[ed bell]

I don't want a team full of low character losers, don't care if they can ball out

[MHS831]

You've left out the NFLPA and the CBA which have some bearing as well. And what happens when a spiteful employee or a disenfranchised business competitor decides to make an anonymous phone call accusing you of taking indecent liberties with junior employees or your neighbor's kid? You getting fired based on that accusation? After all, it is just an accusation, but it'll still make the papers and your life is ruined. 

 

 

I am in education, so I was coming from that perspective.  Most of the time, it is the accusation that matters, more than the legal aspect.  I see that in the NFL too.

[Growl]

This isnt a case of winning versus ethics

It's a case of winning versus the way the Panthers look

big difference.

[Growl]

I really, really love winning. But...there is something to be said for doing it the right way.

To me, it comes down to; What are you willing to do, and still be able to look at yourself in the mirror?

If you truly believe that JR does not care about winning, you are barking up the wrong tree. The hiring of Gman should lay that thought to rest. Just because he wants to do it the right way, does not mean he cares less.

doing it the right way has netted the Panthers 0 championships and the Patriots, in contrast, 4.

[MHS831]

doing it the right way has netted the Panthers 0 championships and the Patriots, in contrast, 4.

 

Are you suggesting doing it the wrong way?

[t96]

If you're okay with someone getting away with hitting or raping a woman or any other violent crime as long as they can win football games, you're not someone I have any interest in knowing.

Football is not more important than people's real lives.

 

 

Oh right. Why should a guy like Ray Rice suffer any consequences just because he smacked a b--ch around, right?

I mean, this is football we're talking about

 

 

"Getting away with" hitting or raping a woman.... What are you talking about? Let the legal process play out and if he gets punished in court let that happen. Everybody makes mistakes in life. Now rape is a lot different than hitting a woman, as all crimes have various degrees, but lets say there was a domestic dispute with a franchise guy like Luke or Cam who hit a woman (but she was also hitting him), got probation, fine, etc. Would you then think he should never play in the NFL again or you'd never want him playing for the Panthers again? There's this thing in life called forgiveness. And everybody needs it for something they did at some point in their life. What Ray Rice did was absolutely unacceptable. But the courts made a ruling on what happened, he has not repeated the behavior, and he has shown remorse and that he's learned from it. Nobody's saying he shouldn't suffer any consequences (his consequences were his sentence from the court system), but he shouldn't be banned from the league for life, and teams should have absolutely no issues signing him if they think he's changed and has EARNED his forgiveness. Honestly, a two game suspension (the initial discipline) would be absolutely reasonable. Do you think Vick shouldn't be allowed to play? He made a pretty big mistake that was largely a result of how he was raised. He has learned from it, more than made up for it, served a large sentence of prison time, and hasn't done anything wrong at all since so if you think he shouldn't be playing football at all or wouldn't want him (or someone like him) on the Panthers, then you are a very sad man. I'm not saying winning is all that matters like the other guy, but to say that if a guy does one bad thing off the field (and is disciplined by the court system) that you wouldn't want him on the team you root for is absolutely crazy.