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Hornets and Nets restarts trade talks

Jakob

By Jakob,
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Cho should offer Al-Hendo-Roberts & a 1st Rd pick for Joe-Plumlee & tell the Nets to take it or leave it- non-negotiable. If they wanna get rid of Joe so bad they'll take it. Al & Hendo can be easily flipped again if they don't want them. They're stuck with Joe right now, nobody wants him. And who cares about a 15-17 overall pick, we've got enough young players already.

Walker

Johnson

Kidd-Gilchrist

Williams

Biyombo

Stephenson

Neal

Hairston

Zeller

Plumlee

Instant offense. Johnson is old & overpaid but he can score & is only a 1.5 year rental. I'm tired of watching Kemba & Al put up 40 shots a game because nobody else will shoot the damn ball.

Walker & Johnson can score 35-40 a game together & compliment each other better than anyone they've ever thrown out there beside Kemba. Biyombo has developed into a great defender & rebounder, & alongside MKG they'll clean up the boards & lockdown defensively. Zeller is better than Marvin but I'd throw Marvin out there with MKG & Biz. They can cover his lack of size & he can help stretch the floor & give spacing to Kemba.

Make Lance a permanent 6th man & surround him with scorers. He's a natural PG. Period. Neal & Hairston will get plenty of open looks playing with Lance & Zeller/Plumlee make a solid 2nd string post presence.

Or just trade Lance, Hendo, Marvin, Al, & whoever for peanuts. I don't care at this point. This roster is a shitstain. Kemba, MKG, Biz, & Vonleh are the only guys I wouldn't trade.

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Don't feed us the load of poo that Joe Johnson will give us better shooting when he's been shooting around .350 for half the season.

Joe Johnson in a wheelchair would be an improvement over Gerald Henderson. He's averaging 16 points on 43% from the field & 36% from 3. He can flat out score and shoot 3s, which is the biggest need on this roster. Meanwhile, Henderson is averaging 10 points on 44% but shooting a pathetic 28% from 3. Kemba is on an island by himself & he is still playing like an All-Star. Give him a proven outside scorer and he'll flourish.

And beyond just scoring, Joe grabs more rebounds than Hendo & dishes out twice as many assists. Joe has a higher PER, double the offensive wins shared, & identical defensive wins shared as Hendo. In other words, Joe is infinitely better than Hendo offensively & at the same time just as good defensively.

GH is a mediocre basketball player.

Quit trying to cherry pick stats. Joe has struggled for a few weeks- every player goes through slumps. Henderson has put up decent numbers for a few weeks- while playing against the worst teams in the entire league- NYK, MIN, PHI, ORL, etc.

2014-15 Season

JJ- 16 Pts, 43% Fg, 36% 3pt, 4 Reb, 4 Ast

GH- 10 Pts, 44% Fg, 28% 3pt, 3 Reb, 2 Ast

JJ- 14.3 PER, 1.0 OWS, 1.1 DWS

GH- 12.2 PER, 0.5 OWS, 1.1 DWS

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I just think people are living in the past with Johnson. I know you have to take risks sometimes to get better...but taking that risk on a former Atlanta Hawk dinosaur doesn't smell right to me, with all due respect of course...

 

Averaging 35.5 minutes per game could be wearing him out...but another way to look at it is this: If Joe is getting 35 minutes per game and he is the great scorer some seem to think...he should be averaging more than 16 per game.

 

Just seems like Stephen Jackson again...and I have already seen that show.

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So I'll put it this way in a simple cap perspective. We are already at around $70 million committed salary if Jefferson opts in (and unless he has another run like last year he almost certainly will), and Hendo opts in (would he get $6 million anywhere else?). That doesn't include whatever deal we give Biyumbo, that's with him playing on the QO. The projected cap is $67 million next season, so unless Hendo and Al opt out, or we pull some trade off, we're capped next season regardless. So the question really is do you think Johnson is better for our team than Lance/Hendo/Marvin. If we do trade for Johnson though, there's pretty much no way our roster noticeably changes next season. It would be hard to pull off if we stand pat, but with Joe it would be impossible.

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On the trade machine, which judges win changes based on the incoming and outgoing PER, trading for Joe adds three more wins to the Hornets and decreases about the same number of wins for the Nets.

Again, take the contract out of the equation and this is a much better deal for the Hornets than it initially looked in the beginning.

Given our good track record getting bargain bin role players, replacing the bench guys wouldn't be that big of a problem, nor would they probably be any worse than our current bench situation.

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I was just looking on hoopshype and one of the ny writers tweeted out yesterday evening that the hornets and Nets are no longer discussing this trade. I can't post it on my phone, but kind of a bummer.

Bummer? That's good news to me.

 

That was an ugly ass trade IMO. To each his own

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Bummer? That's good news to me.

That was an ugly ass trade IMO. To each his own

Indeed. I just like the idea of getting an actual starting-caliber player with outside shooting ability for the next two years and then clearing 23 million off the books. He's a better player, even at his age now, then the three players we'd be trading for him, IMO.

plus, it's clear Lance will not workout here. Part of me is intrigued to see what he would do potentially as the point with Kemba out, but it just won't work. He can't shoot and he needs the ball in his hands at all times to be effective... Combine that with the lack of outside shooting and I'm just ready to move on from him and see what we can get.

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Indeed. I just like the idea of getting an actual starting-caliber player with outside shooting ability for the next two years and then clearing 23 million off the books. He's a better player, even at his age now, then the three players we'd be trading for him, IMO.

plus, it's clear Lance will not workout here. Part of me is intrigued to see what he would do potentially as the point with Kemba out, but it just won't work. He can't shoot and he needs the ball in his hands at all times to be effective... Combine that with the lack of outside shooting and I'm just ready to move on from him and see what we can get.

Youll be clearing that money anyway.

Hendo, Williams, Lance and Al all have expiring contracts after next year

6 million, 7 million, 9 million, and 13 million respectively. We'll be able to do some serious moves in the 2016 offseason.

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