We were looking at Thigpen???

[KillerKat]

Psst, Jake's TD numbers are wrong too.

I was going by this: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DelhJa00.htm

I always use that site as my source. They usually have a Playoff link there, but for some reason it's not up now. Kinda hard to remember Jake actually threw a TD in that crap fest.

So you're right. 16TDs and 17INTs. Still don't see how this helps you're arguement any.

[Brandon]

Delhommes TDs to INTs 115 -76

Andersons '' '' 43-35

Guess whose % is better

Jake Delhomme 4.7% TD 3.1% Int

Derek Anderson 4.6% TD 3.8% Int

That's not the arguement at all. The arguement is Anderson's best year vs Jake's worst.

This is why your argument fails. So Jake gets no credit for the 35-40 yard bombs to Smitty against an All-Pro CB where Smitty was downed at the 1 and 2 yard line where DeAngelo took them in and essentially "got credit" for the drive? I'm sorry but QB play is a lot more than just TD numbers.

It is one player throwing all the INTs

And Anderson threw more.

[Jaxel]

Last I checked...

Delhomme: 3 playoff appearances

Anderson: 0

[KillerKat]

This is why your argument fails. So Jake gets no credit for the 35-40 yard bombs to Smitty against an All-Pro CB where Smitty was downed at the 1 and 2 yard line where DeAngelo took them in and essentially "got credit" for the drive? I'm sorry but QB play is a lot more than just TD numbers.

You're using 1 game, 1 drive to back up you're arguement. Thats pathetic. I could give you games where Jake played bad. How bout the Vikings game? The Falcons game? Both Buc games? The Oakland game? The Denver game? Then finally the Card game. There's more evidence that Jake played bad than good last year. You say in Anderson's best year, he threw more INTs than Jake in his worst, but he threw more TDs than Jake did last year. Anderson threw 10 more TDs whereas Jake threw 1 more INT! What part of that is not getting through your skull?

[Fireball77]

What evidence do you have that he had a bad arm that affected his play from 05-08? You have none. The only evidence we have is that he had the surgury specifically for the injury he suffered in '07 and he recovered from that well before the start of the season last regular season. He has not said that his arm was the reason for his bad play at all. You're just speculating that it was a problem. Jake has been Jake ever since '03. It's just that last year, he had more bad games than he ever had.

First of all, it was not just that one problem (the TJ) it was 3 others as well that he had surgery on.

He was indeed recovered physically however that does not account for everything that having TJ may affect (which has been discussed ad nauseum so I won't repeat here).

Of course Jake won't ever blame anything but himself publicly for any struggles he had. Clearly he should whine to the press like Manning and Favre so he can get fan sympathy and credence.

Either way, if you seriously think that having 4 different problems with your throwing arm which affected your mechanics does not or should not affect your play then I don't know what to say. I say it was a reason but not an excuse because when you are out there you are the one playing with it and part of that is dealing with it. That goes for Jake or anyone else.

What "proof" do you have that Anderson's concussion affected his play?

Well I am thinking you may say because other players have talked about how concussions affect them. We have no idea exactly what effect having TJ has on a QB because no one has ever come back from it successfully and he doesn't discuss it.

[Brandon]

You're using 1 game, 1 drive to back up you're arguement. Thats pathetic. I could give you games where Jake played bad. How bout the Vikings game? The Falcons game? Both Buc games? The Oakland game? The Denver game? Then finally the Card game. There's more evidence that Jake played bad than good last year. You say in Anderson's best year, he threw more INTs than Jake in his worst, but he threw more TDs than Jake did last year. Anderson threw 10 more TDs whereas Jake threw 1 more INT! What part of that is not getting through your skull?

The Vikings game Jake was meh, but not bad, the whole team was just out of it for that game. Which Falcons game, the one where he ended with a 124.8qbr or 96.7qbr? Yeah that was shitty... The first Buc game he was off, I'll give you that but in the second one he was pretty good with the exception of the pass that bounced off of King's chest and into the hands of Talib... Oakland was his worst game of the year no doubt. But how about that Denver performance witha 93.9 quarterback rating. God he's so terrible.

Also, Derek Anderson had a 3.6 int % that year compared to Jake's 2.9. Yeah that's not a bit off.

You are clearly biased and incapable of looking at the facts, and judging solely off of emotion.

[rayzor]

just to muddy the water a bit...what did jake's stats look like in 2004?

[KillerKat]

Last I checked...

Delhomme: 3 playoff appearances

Anderson: 0

Derek's only been in the league 3 years and didnt start until his second and only half of last year due to injury.... yeah comparing team playoff appearances of these 2 is really fair.

First of all the Super Bowl was 6 years ago! Second, we all saw that Jake was unable to throw it to anyone else after Smitty was triple covered in that Seahawks game FOUR YEARS AGO. Third, yeah that one was something special...

[Jaxel]

Anderson won't be having one this year either.

Also I recall Delhomme Taking us to the playoff's his first year of as a starter... in a year where we were projected to be bleh.

[Brandon]

Derek's only been in the league 3 years and didnt start until his second and only half of last year due to injury.... yeah comparing team playoff appearances of these 2 is really fair.

First of all the Super Bowl was 6 years ago! Second, we all saw that Jake was unable to throw it to anyone else after Smitty was triple covered in that Seahawks game FOUR YEARS AGO. Third, yeah that one was something special...

Who did Jake have to throw it to in the Seahawks game other than Smitty? Oh yeah, Colbert. Awesome.

[KillerKat]

What "proof" do you have that Anderson's concussion affected his play?

Well I am thinking you may say because other players have talked about how concussions affect them. We have no idea exactly what effect having TJ has on a QB because no one has ever come back from it successfully and he doesn't discuss it.

So speculating that it affected Jake's play is better than knowing that concussions can affect your play after other players have talked about them before and said that it indeed affected their play? yeah...ok...whatever you say.

[KillerKat]

The Vikings game Jake was meh, but not bad, the whole team was just out of it for that game. Which Falcons game, the one where he ended with a 124.8qbr or 96.7qbr? Yeah that was shitty... The first Buc game he was off, I'll give you that but in the second one he was pretty good with the exception of the pass that bounced off of King's chest and into the hands of Talib... Oakland was his worst game of the year no doubt. But how about that Denver performance witha 93.9 quarterback rating. God he's so terrible.

Also, Derek Anderson had a 3.6 int % that year compared to Jake's 2.9. Yeah that's not a bit off.

You are clearly biased and incapable of looking at the facts, and judging solely off of emotion.

Yeah, you're right. Why hold a player responsible for his own actions when you have 10 other guys on offense and coaches to place the blame on.

[Brandon]

Yeah, you're right. Why hold a player responsible for his own actions when you have 10 other guys on offense and coaches to place the blame on.

Wait so you are just going to bypass the fact that you were 100% wrong on most of what you called Jake's "bad performances" last year. I mean those 90+qbr games really hurt us...

[KillerKat]

Wait so you are just going to bypass the fact that you were 100% wrong on most of what you called Jake's "bad performances" last year. I mean those 90+qbr games really hurt us...

Here's the complete list of games I think Jake played poorly in...

57.1 Cmp % , 1 INT, and 55.3 QB Rate against Chicago, 3 fumbles against the Vikings, 3 INTs vs Tampa, 4 INts (almost 5) vs Oakland, and 60 Cmp % and 5 for 14 on 3rd down in our loss against Atlanta. 2 INTs in the second game against Tampa, 65 Cmp % and 1 INT vs Denver. Then 5 INTs (almost 6) and a fumble in a Divisional playoff game.

Atlanta and Denver could go either way depending how you look at it, but when a QB is struggling to sustain drives and find recievers downfield, that's not good. Those 2 are debateable, but the others I don't think so.

So there you go. The arguement was supposed to be Jake's worst year last year vs Derek's best year. Thats the only reason I entered this arguement and I wish to take this no further than that.