gettleman on newton contract

[O-Ther]

How much does timing matter on this (outside of outside influences like Luck/Wilson)?  Is it just a question of this offseason v. next offseason or are there specific dates where doing it shortly before/after bring different advantages/disadvantages?

 

No specific dates that I'm aware of in the Collective Bargaining Agreement for re-doing contracts. It's just both sides measuring their risk.

 

Like with Joe Flacco. He went into the last year of his previous deal without an extension, and there was risk for both him and the Ravens Front Office. If he got injured, he would have lost leverage and the RFO would gain it in negotiations on his next contract. If he won the Super Bowl, the reverse would happen. Flacco went out and won the Super Bowl and the Ravens had to dismantle the team to be able to afford to pay him.

 

As far as timing mattering on this, there's no apparent penalty or benefit to doing it at one time of year vs. another. You're right with the other QBs deals being a factor, but it's not something either Cam or Gettleman can control, kinda like the weather. Cam's agent and Gettleman may THINK they have an idea what those deals will be for, but just like the weatherman on TV, sometimes what they forecast ain't what happens.

 

 

[PhillyB]

i just want to know if there were any pregnant pauses

[EightyNine]

I think a problem could be if Cam completely balls out this year with better personnel, he(his agent) might ask for more money.

 

I'm not sure if next season is going to make a big difference in what Cam gets paid.  For those thinking that we could sign him now for less than we could if he has a great year next season, I doubt that's the case.  He's already done enough to be one of the highest paid quarterbacks.

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

Imo, if he balls out he deserves to be paid like so and it would be worth the money

 

Uh huh. If he balls out next year, absolutely lights it up, give him as much as he wants. I have a feeling Newton's 5th year is going to be crazy

[thefuzz]

Uh huh. If he balls out next year, absolutely lights it up, give him as much as he wants. I have a feeling Newton's 5th year is going to be crazy

 

What makes you say that, other than gut feeling?  

 

 

 

No reason to extend now, and I don't want Cam's deal backloaded like many in this thread have mentioned....just to save a few million this year.  I still think that we are a couple years out, pay Cam during the season this year, and give him a whopping signing bonus, and get the large part out of the way.

 

Back loading contracts to save a couple bucks this year....sounds an awful lot like Hurney.

[stirs]

Since nobody wants to play devils advocate, I will.

 

If you were wanting to buy a car, what would you say at the lot?

"this is the greatest car I have ever driven? I love this car? this is my car?"

Is this the best way to get a bargain since you are obviously the one in charge of finances in your home?

 

 

Or, if you wanted to sell a car, or in this instance, trade a car, what would you say?

Same as above?

[TheRed]

Since nobody wants to play devils advocate, I will.

If you were wanting to buy a car, what would you say at the lot?

"this is the greatest car I have ever driven? I love this car? this is my car?"

Is this the best way to get a bargain since you are obviously the one in charge of finances in your home?

Or, if you wanted to sell a car, or in this instance, trade a car, what would you say?

Same as above?

You're reaching quite a bit here. Don't hurt your arm.

[Growl]

What makes you say that, other than gut feeling?

No reason to extend now, and I don't want Cam's deal backloaded like many in this thread have mentioned....just to save a few million this year. I still think that we are a couple years out, pay Cam during the season this year, and give him a whopping signing bonus, and get the large part out of the way.

Back loading contracts to save a couple bucks this year....sounds an awful lot like Hurney.

the reason this was such an issue with Hurney is because it was for players like Charles Godfrey and James Anderson, both of whom I believe we're still paying.

there's no risk that we are going to suddenly not want a franchise QB.

[ThinkAboutIt]

I'm not sure if next season is going to make a big difference in what Cam gets paid. For those thinking that we could sign him now for less than we could if he has a great year next season, I doubt that's the case. He's already done enough to be one of the highest paid quarterbacks.

Their goal is to see his production drastically decline so they can feel justified to pay him less or run him out of town.

What they "conveniently" overlook is the numbers Cam did put up this year despite his injuries, two missed games, and a bad OL for most of it.

[ThinkAboutIt]

Uh huh. If he balls out next year, absolutely lights it up, give him as much as he wants. I have a feeling Newton's 5th year is going to be crazy

The "IF" would just shift to something else he needs to do, as usual.

[TheRumGone]

Their goal is to see his production drastically decline so they can feel justified to pay him less or run him out of town.

What they "conveniently" overlook is the numbers Cam did put up this year despite his injuries, two missed games, and a bad OL for most of it.

Eh. Numbers definitely play a role and so do wins in clutch situations. Cam has proven to be astronomical in one and pretty darn good at the other. It's not just about numbers though.

I want to lock him down now because 5th year is usually when you see a qb start to click and gain some real consistency. Sometimes it's the sixth and 7th year.

Plus he has a full offseason to get healthy again and gain more of a repoire with kb and Philly and that interior oline plus remmers were starting to gel. I'm expecting great things from cam next year with another draft and some money to spend (hopefully some on offense)

[EightyNine]

Their goal is to see his production drastically decline so they can feel justified to pay him less or run him out of town.

What they "conveniently" overlook is the numbers Cam did put up this year despite his injuries, two missed games, and a bad OL for most of it.

 

I never understand this type of logic..

 

This is the NFL...Everyone feels a lot of pressure to win or else people lose their jobs.  How do you convince all of these people that its in their best interest to hinder the production of their starting QB?

[TheRumGone]

I never understand this type of logic..

This is the NFL...Everyone feels a lot of pressure to win or else people lose their jobs. How do you convince all of these people that its in their best interest to hinder the production of their starting QB?

It's not logic...

[thefuzz]

the reason this was such an issue with Hurney is because it was for players like Charles Godfrey and James Anderson, both of whom I believe we're still paying.

there's no risk that we are going to suddenly not want a franchise QB.

 

Yes, there most certainly is risk.  Cam, while big and tough, is not actually Superman.

 

You back load that deal, he has a major injury, you are screwed.  Pay up front rather than use a credit card.

 

 

 

As for why it is, and has been an issue for this team/Hurney....is because he couldn't draft, had no plan, and overpaid "core" guys on this team.  We were always in cap hell with Hurney, even though some of the beautiful minds around here gave him credit for "always finding a way".

 

I think lot's around here called it hurneymagic.  

 

 

There are some posters here who want to see Cam paid as a top 5 QB, and while he may get that, at least let's be smart enough to make it front loaded.